Highway Patrol to rear, worried about egts?

[The patriot]

I have not been pulled over for a possible violation in such a long time I can't really remember. I have been stopped at border checks and once recently when there was some guy escaped from a local holding pen, er I mean jail. Those time I just put the windows down about 2/3rds, kept the engine running, flip on the interior lights so they can see into the truck, handed them all the necessary paperwork, and answered their questions. Once I was asked about the rifle in my gun rack, I acknowledged it's existance, then I was asked if it was loaded, I replied what good is an unloaded gun? Here in New Mexico your vehicle is treated like your home, private, and there were no further questions regarding it's presence. I don't turn off the engine, none have ever asked for it to be turned off. If they did ask me to turn it off I would probably ask why that was necessary first, not to say that I would not comply, but it running vrs not running to me has no relevance. Either you get a ticket or you don't and a running engine is not the basis for them stopping you, your driving is.



CD

Geez, I know where I'm moving to.

 

[CDonaldson]

The patriot.



Here in NM you can open carry too. A CCW permit is very easy to get, short little 'law and safety' class, you must qualify at a range to demonstrate your skills, they issue for caliber you plan to carry. Your vehicle is off limits without good probable cause AND they still must have a warrant to search, you have the right to have legal council present when a warrant search takes place. They cannot rip your vehicle apart without returning it to the condition they found it in, if they do any damage, they are legally bound for the repairs. If you are 'legally' parked, step out of the vehicle and lock your doors, they cannot tow it either.



Most people do not know their rights, they 'allow' a lot of stuff to take place. If you have a 'legal' no trespassing sign at the entrance of your property, defined perimiter boundaries, they also cannot tresspass like anyone else limited by the laws. Again, goes to probable cause, if you call them onto your property, all bets are off.



New Mexico has it's own dept of homeland security, they felt that the fed model violated too many of your constitutional rights. So, ours keeps within your rights. Our gov, Richardson, was 100% behind getting it right. Too bad he dropped out of the presidential race, eh?



CD

 

[bnbrown]

CO is pretty clear on weapons and cars "It is unlawful for any person, except a person authorized by law or by the division, to possess or have under his control any firearm, other than a pistol or revolver, in or on any motor vehicle unless the chamber of such firearm is unloaded. Any person in possession or in control of a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle shall allow any peace officer, as defined in section 33-1-102 (32), who is empowered and acting under the authority granted in section 33-6-101 to enforce articles 1 to 6 of this title to inspect the chamber of any rifle or shotgun in the motor vehicle. For the purposes of this section, a "muzzle-loader" shall be considered unloaded if it is not primed, and, for such purpose, "primed" means having a percussion cap on the nipple or flint in the striker and powder in the flash pan. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of fifty dollars and an assessment of fifteen license suspension points. "
The state P takes everyone pretty seriously around here to.

 

[BHolm]

CO is pretty clear on weapons and cars "It is unlawful for any person, except a person authorized by law or by the division, to possess or have under his control any firearm, other than a pistol or revolver, in or on any motor vehicle unless the chamber of such firearm is unloaded. Any person in possession or in control of a rifle or shotgun in a motor vehicle shall allow any peace officer, as defined in section 33-1-102 (32), who is empowered and acting under the authority granted in section 33-6-101 to enforce articles 1 to 6 of this title to inspect the chamber of any rifle or shotgun in the motor vehicle. For the purposes of this section, a "muzzle-loader" shall be considered unloaded if it is not primed, and, for such purpose, "primed" means having a percussion cap on the nipple or flint in the striker and powder in the flash pan. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of fifty dollars and an assessment of fifteen license suspension points. "

The state P takes everyone pretty seriously around here to.

All the better reason to carry a handgun I always have a loaded handgun in my truck in CO. We can also open carry in CO except the Denver metro area, which I wouldn't live in anyway. I have my CCW permit here and yep, the officers are generally a little different with their tone when they come back to the truck after reading that tidbit on their screen. I've never been asked about the gun though.

 

[The patriot]

just a little OT for a minute.

CD Good things to know.

I'm in NJ. If you have a gun in your car and youre NOT on the way to or from a gun range, it's a "problem".

If you have a loaded magazine in your car, it's a "problem".

If you have a gun in the passenger compartment this is a "potential problem".

(I dont drive to-from the range with the guns in the bed of my truck)

If your gun holds more than 15 rounds, you cant buy mags for it.

If you... ... ... I think you my point.

I've been stopped (traffic stop) and the officer saw my large stainless case in the back seat which held my M1a, he asked what was in there and I told him "my target rifle". That was the end of the "interview".

It really depends on who pulls you over, what mood are they in, and if theyre well versed in the labyrinth of gun laws NJ has. Oh yea, helps if theyre "gun friendly" too. :-laf

I'm legal to carry in over 1/2 the country, but NJ aint one of those states. #@$%!

I had my Wifes life threatened by a cop here and she "didnt want to do" anything about it. #@$%!#@$%!

 

[CDonaldson]

I see all this as two sides of the coin and I realize that they are separate and yet can be integrated.



I REALLY DO understand why it is that the police are so careful regarding citizens and guns, they DO take their lives out there AND they DO have to be cautious. They encounter many who would kill them in an instant if they did not take a particular posture regarding all this gun stuff.



I also see my side, law abiding citizen, who has NO record of any kind, has never committed any crimes, and has NO intention of committing crimes. I carry to protect myself from the same people they have to be cautious of and many time arrest and convict, in essence protecting me.



There are a lot more citizens out there on the good side of all this, who would also do what was necessary to assist the police if necessary in that moment in time where no other choice or situation presented itself.



How DO they figure it all out and know who it is they have encountered? So, they take a posture that is not too great with us, and we become subject to feeling like the criminal we are not.



Women are especially vulnerable to both the criminals and also those in law enforcement who themselves are on the edge of criminality. They are prey in many respects and also fear the reprisals because they do not have the ability of their power in most all of what COULD take place in the situation or possibly the aftermath.



When a woman gets pulled over, she IS subject to all the same procedures, but she also has to worry about whether some sexual encounter might occur when she is asked to 'step out of the vehicle'. That is the root fear most women have in the back of their mind in the moment. All of them should reply with a quick call to 911 or onstar if availlable, tell them their circumstance of being one-on-one and their feeling of vulnerability, request a female officer be present or legal representation of some kind. Remain in their vehicle until either the officer decides to ticket them, let them go, or a female officer arrives.



CD