Holley Fuel Pump part ##

[dclassens]

Below is a photo of a Bully Dog fuel system. I plan on using just that Holley Blue Pump. TDR member Cummins724 has given my all the data I need, I just need the part ## of the pump. Any ideas?? Thanks!!



Dave

 

[brianv31]

Part #: 12-802-1



from Holley's website

 

[drag racer]

I would strongly recommend using the new Holley HP150 instead of the old red/blue/black series. These new pumps are a gerotor style, very smooth & quiet, and a much higher quality pump than the old Holley vane style pumps.

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[RJWEST]

Holly Blue needs to be lower than tank, at bottom of frame rail it still cavitates ,
Mine lasted 2 months before pressure dropped and became erratic.

 

[dclassens]

THANKS a bunch guys. Drag Racer, what is the cost of the new style pump. I looks like a quality part. The Holley Blue was just over $100 I think. I saw two part numbers on their site. One was 12-802-1 and the other was 12-812-1. Is there a difference. I want to make sure the one I pick up is diesel compatible. Thanks again!!



Dave

 

[RJWEST]

Better call Holly, I don't think any off the Holly Red,blue,black
are Diesel compatable. . At least thats what Summit told me...

Some people have had good service from the Holly, I did not.
( Though I am still running it , with an old OEM LP as a feeder LP
( Tank, OEM LP, Holly Blue, Return style Regulator ))
Seems to be working now, 10-12 PSI ( fluctuating ) at normal cruise. Minimum 10 Psi WOT, with Fluctuations...
Still plan to upgrade to something, but not urgent at present. .

 

[drag racer]

THANKS a bunch guys. Drag Racer, what is the cost of the new style pump. I looks like a quality part. The Holley Blue was just over $100 I think. I saw two part numbers on their site. One was 12-802-1 and the other was 12-812-1. Is there a difference. I want to make sure the one I pick up is diesel compatible. Thanks again!!



Dave

Dave,



a) Best price will probably be from of the large mail order giants - Jeg's or Summit. I got mine for <$200, but I see the prices have gone up in the last month. I use the 12-150 higher pressure/flow version. It comes with a regulator that you don't need for our application, and I sold mine E-Bay to help recoup some of the cost of the pump.



b) regarding the compatibility issue with diesel, I don't think you will find anyone going on the record saying any Holley pump is compatible with diesel. I counter that argument with the fact that POS OEM Carter pumps are nothing more than Carter's ancient line of electric pumps designed for gas use also. Bottom line - we need a lift pump, there are high end setups like FASS, etc. that are great but very expensive. I have used Holley electric pumps for 20 years on my race vehicles, and generally have had good reliability.



With that said, it is a bit of an experiment using their pumps with diesel, especially if you use your truck as a daily driver and rack up a lot of hours on the pump in a short time, which I do not, so I am not worried too much about that. I do know that their new gerotor pumps represent a nice improvement in quality compared to the old red/blue/black series for sure. Best advice is do your research and pick the set-up you feel best and fits your budget.



Overall, I think the most important thing you can do is get the lift pump off of the engine and into a more benign environment, like the frame rail.

 

[MAV1]

Curious

I'm curious, why the Holley? Is your current lp relocated. IMHO I feel there is better available for not much more money.

Maverick

 

[drag racer]

comfort zone, I guess. Yes, relocated to frame rail and installed Vulcan Big Line kit.

 

[MAV1]

Thanks drag racer. Question is for dclassens.

 

[dclassens]

The last CTD truck I owned lost a VP right around 130K miles(I owned the truck from April to June/07). I was in going back and forth between relocating to frame rail and fass system. Long story short, I ended up getting the intank lift pump and shortly after that I lost the APPS. May not be related but over all was about $3000. 00 out of pocket. I sold that truck to recoup and I am in the market for my next second gen.



Cummins 724 has me sold on a Holley pump on the frame rail for a few reasons. It is quick and easy, and I like the Holley pumps(never had REAL experiences with them).



My plan is to purchase a new truck and install new lift the first hour it is owned. Any other feed back, Please join in!!



Dave

 

[MAV1]

Fft Fwiw

Dave,

Here is something you may not have seen and or considered as yet.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com.../191376-finally-some-one-puts-end-carter.html
As noted in the post, I have installed one on my truck and a buddy's truck, to date both pumps are performing as noted in the thread. I realize that a few weeks is not a total test of a product, but I do know this. The Airtex pump is hands above any Carter pump I have had experience with. Numerous on my own truck and several on others' trucks. I bought a bunch of the Cummins campaign pumps when they were available for around $70. What a joke! I will admit that I have no experience running a Holley pump. While doing extensive research seeking a viable alternative to the oe pump until I can put together the scratch for an Airdog, I discovered drag racer's post about running the new black gerotor pump Holley recently came out with. After pming drag racer and asking him about his experience with his to date, I was all set to get one and by happenstance (long story) discovered the Airtex pump. I borrowed an idea from SFrey and the rest is history. Noted in the post.

Good luck in purchasing another 2gen and with whatever pump you elect to run.

Cal a. k. a. Maverick

 

[rbattelle]

I've been running a Holley Blue for just over 2 years and just over 35k miles now.

It's been great so far. 12-802-1. The only difference between 12-802 and 12-812 is the 802 version comes with an external regulator and the 812 doesn't. Therefore, the 812 should be cheaper.

I got the 802, but I don't use the regulator. I don't need it on my application, since the pump is internally limited to 14 psi anyway. The 802 and 812 pumps are identical! The only difference is whether an external regulator is in the box with the pump.

Is anyone running one of the new Holley pumps on their truck? I like the looks of the 12-125 unregulated (110 GPH @ 7psi).

Ryan

 

[dclassens]

Ryan (rbattelle), THANKS A TON for the reply. I was wondering if you could elaborate on your fuel system. I like to keep things nice and simple. Some people have back up systems on top of new systems. valves and solenoids that move things here and there. the systems that I am after goes as follows:



Fuel sender to new aftermarket lift pump, lift pump to injection pump. Maybe a draw straw, and for sure a press gauge. If you could please explain what you have and explain why no regulator. Was the holley blue by luck the exact pressure that a vp44 needs?



THANKS!!



Dave

 

[rbattelle]

If you could please explain what you have and explain why no regulator. Was the holley blue by luck the exact pressure that a vp44 needs?

I've got a 3rd gen, so I don't have to deal with the pressure requirements for the VP-44! I think the common rail pumps are more forgiving when it comes to input pressure than the VP-44. Stock 3rd gen pumps run 5-10 psi, I'm running roughly 12 psi, and some people run as high as 25-30 psi!



Doesn't the VP-44 want something closer to 5-10 psi? If so, I think the new 12-125 pump from Holley would be a good choice.



There's more detail on my system than anyone will ever need here. (Although for some reason that fuel system page is the most frequently hit on my website).



One of my requirements in my fuel system was simplicity, particularly when it comes to plumbing. So I didn't want to run a regulator unless absolutely necessary. The Holley Blue pump conveniently provides a pressure and flow rate that are appropriate for my engine.



But before the Holley Blue I was running an Aeromotive pump whose pressure and flow rate were too much (in my opinion). So rather than running a regulator, I modified this controller to work with the pump. I was then able to literally dial in whatever pressure I wanted in the cab.



Ryan