Horsepower

[KIKER]

How high could a person go with a 2012 Ram with a tuner, aftermarket intake ram, cold air I take, and studs? Stock injectors and high pressure pump, with air dog system feeding the high pressure pump. I have a friend running this and might need to educate him a little.

 

[RVTRKN]

I don't know about the exact HP you can increase a 6. 7, but if you lose the potato in the exhaust and block off the EGR, and then tune it properly, its capable of more HP than a 5. 9.

 

[A-2-Z Ben]

To sustain 1 Hp GPH required is as followed



Diesel = . 18 GPH Per HP



Bio Fuel = . 30 GPH Per HP



Veggie Oil =. 40 GPH Per HP



Example 325 Hp Running Diesel Fuel Requires 58. 5 GPH TO Sustain 325 HP. 325 x. 18GPH = 58. 5 GPH



We have tested GPH under load and Volume not Pressure is a problem with stock lift pumps 03 -9 are 32-42 GPH.

There is a Kit that we have put together that we have been using for over 4yrs without 1 Repeat Injector Failure.

This system IMO addresses all the important issues that contribute to the repeat injector failure. They Are (1) Volume,(2)Filtration (3) Emulsified Water Removal. The typical set up that we use for most applications will support 500 hp. 90 GPH filtered to 2 micron suction with 7 micron pressure filters. The pump and filter are matched @ 90 GPH for true advertised filter efficiency. This system is different in that we use factory lines from tank forward (So no hoses running the length of your truck) Pump And Filter Is Mounted inboard of frame and you retain stock filter as the secondary 7 micron filter. We use a FASS pump which are great pumps and racor filters with aqua block media that DOES NOT internally by-pass. Any question Give Me A Call 480-288-0177

 

[Wingate]

How high could a person go with a 2012 Ram with a tuner, aftermarket intake ram, cold air I take, and studs? Stock injectors and high pressure pump, with air dog system feeding the high pressure pump. I have a friend running this and might need to educate him a little.

About the only thing listed that will make power is the tuner... maybe the intake will give a few... So he is only gonna make what the tuner is up for. .

 

[RVTRKN]

A-2-Z Ben, when I first started reading your post, my first impression was how odd it seemed to relate to the the OP. But after reading the entire post I realized how important the GPH (Gallons Per Hour) is when it comes to increasing HP and even though it has sort of been mention by installing larger injectors in the past, it has never been matched all the way through filtration (water as well as microns) injection and pump abilities. Great post, now that my warranty from Cummins is over through time (07 MY C&C) and milage only at 42K, I will be increasing the fuel filtration and pump ability. But an important question related to the in-tank pump with the sending unit reporting the level of fuel in the tank, will it have to be removed seeing how it wont keep up with the Fass system? (For my C&C)



I initially was going to install a Fass system on my 04. 5 that I sold my brother, and when the factory installed pump failed they installed the in-tank replacement, and the old pick-up assembly was given back to me explaining that I needed to reinstall it, if I went to the Fass system. It was explained to me that the in-tank pump cant keep up with the Fass system and it will damage it. Next year, I'm going to start to concentrate on inceasing HP and installing the appropriate gages and equipment needed to give higher HP without giving up durability.



Thanks again

Steve

 

[KIKER]

I was just curious as to how high a tuner/programmer could go, horsepower wise, with the stock injectors, injector pump, and turbo. My friend had a lot of work done to his truck and was told it was putting out 800 hp. I haven't told him yet, but I don't think he could go over 600 without bigger injectors, more fuel through them and more air... ... . larger turbo. He has done the deletes and has an AirDog filter and maybe aftermarket lift pump. Currently he has a DTC P0102 and asked if I could post a question about that, what it is and what can be done to eliminate it. And, Ben's post about how much fuel it takes to make horsepower was right on the money! It all boils down to fuel.

 

[AEdelheit]

To sustain 1 Hp GPH required is as followed

Diesel = . 18 GPH Per HP

Bio Fuel = . 30 GPH Per HP

Veggie Oil =. 40 GPH Per HP

Example 325 Hp Running Diesel Fuel Requires 58. 5 GPH TO Sustain 325 HP. 325 x. 18GPH = 58. 5 GPH

We have tested GPH under load and Volume not Pressure is a problem with stock lift pumps 03 -9 are 32-42 GPH.
There is a Kit that we have put together that we have been using for over 4yrs without 1 Repeat Injector Failure.
This system IMO addresses all the important issues that contribute to the repeat injector failure. They Are (1) Volume,(2)Filtration (3) Emulsified Water Removal. The typical set up that we use for most applications will support 500 hp. 90 GPH filtered to 2 micron suction with 7 micron pressure filters. The pump and filter are matched @ 90 GPH for true advertised filter efficiency. This system is different in that we use factory lines from tank forward (So no hoses running the length of your truck) Pump And Filter Is Mounted inboard of frame and you retain stock filter as the secondary 7 micron filter. We use a FASS pump which are great pumps and racor filters with aqua block media that DOES NOT internally by-pass. Any question Give Me A Call 480-288-0177

I just put this setup on my truck last week thanks to Ben, he was real helpful and im real happy with the outcome. Im running the Fass 95GPH adjustable pump with Racor Aquablok filter and a very creatively modified canister, Running 18PSI at the stock filter housing, truck runs great, everything is very well protected and I gained 8lbs of boost so im assuming my intank want keeping up. I definitely feel this is the best solution out there, ill post some pics up soon.

 

[A-2-Z Ben]

There can only be one pump. The reason is they are not flow threw pumps and if you leave both and one quits. Fuel will not flow threw the bad one causing fuel starvation. Any questions Call me 480-288-0177

 

[AH64ID]

In reference to the original post, the intake mods do nothing for peak power.

The turbo will be the limiter on a 6. 7. But 400-450 rwhp would be about the limit.

 

[AH64ID]

To sustain 1 Hp GPH required is as followed



Diesel = . 18 GPH Per HP



Bio Fuel = . 30 GPH Per HP



Veggie Oil =. 40 GPH Per HP



Example 325 Hp Running Diesel Fuel Requires 58. 5 GPH TO Sustain 325 HP. 325 x. 18GPH = 58. 5 GPH

Where does that info come from?



All the QSB spec sheets do not show anywhere near that much fuel required.



QSB 480 (472), 25. 7 gal/hr at rated rpm/power 0. 054

QSB 330 (325), 16. 7 gal/hr at rated rpm/power 0. 051

 

[A-2-Z Ben]

Those numbers came from a Racor Engineer. He stated that they only work off full load numbers not partial load on the engine. He also stated that the main thing to keep in mind is . 18 GPH is to SUSTAIN 1 hp burning diesel fuel. So under extreme load(racing or Pulling Load) is why they use these numbers to best suit the flow rates of their filters and the efficiency of the filter. That is one thing i found while doing the research over 4 yrs ago. That is the flow rates of the filters and there efficiency rating was different from manufacturer to manufacturer. That is why i use the racor numbers because to me they are most realistic IMO. If you look at an old brochure from FASS their Frame Mounted platinum (pump only) series that unit had a Donaldson filter that was rated @55 GPH on a pump rated 95-260 GPH. So the filters efficiency rating is not even close to the amount of fuel being put threw it so the numbers are not accurate. This is one reason that for most applications i use the FASS 90 GPH Pump ONLY and put the racor 690R-2 on the suction side and retain factory filter and lines from the tank forward. This a 90 -90 match so now the rating of the racor to remove 99. 4% of emulsified water is an accurate rating. We have flow checked them and found with this set up flows 85-88 GPH to Factory engine mounted filter. Hope this helps, I am not by any means a filter expert. I can tell you in over 4 years of installing this package we have not had even 1 repeat injector failure. We also have a customer with an 05 twin cp3s and twin turbos that we mounted a 260 GPH Fass with 2 of the r90 filters and his flow rate to Injection pump is over 180 GPH. Any question give me a call 480-288-0177

 

[AH64ID]

I am with you on filters and flow, and have been saying the FASS/AD setups are severely under-filtered for 4-5 years.

The . 18 just seems high, but it is a number I have heard before. I wonder if we have advanced diesel injection to the point of being that much more fuel efficient?

I also do not see a different in sustained vs momentary hp. It takes "x" fuel to make "y" hp, whether you do it for an hour or a minute.

The other thing, and probably the only saving grace to the FASS/AD setups, is that they are rated at 150 GPH at 0 psi, and rarely are they at 0 psi. At 15 psi the flow is much lower.

 

[A-2-Z Ben]

Return rate goes up under extended load versus short burst of power. Todd @ TC can elude more to those numbers than i can. Just know that in my experiences fuel flow and pressure are effected more under longer load times than short ones

 

[AH64ID]

Are you talking the transients that occur as the power is initially produced, or post-transient conditions?