Competition Hot Rod VP44

[Big_Bad_Dually]

HOLY FRICKIN COW!!!!!!!!!

LETS GET PI$$ED



I AM MY OWN WARRENTY STATION.



I've had good luck so far. (knock-on-wood)



BTW: why do edge comps like to fry pumps anyway? to much voltage?

 

[propuller]

I was told by Harry at Piers that there would be a warranty if the pump cover was used. If mine would just get here i could see just how good they are. Ive had this thing ordered for almost 2 months & she hasnt shown up yet. I talked to Harry & he said they are having trouble with the Bosch test stand. Its a good thing i dont need my truck .



Kurt

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Big_Bad_Dually

HOLY FRICKIN COW!!!!!!!!!

LETS GET PI$$ED



I AM MY OWN WARRENTY STATION.



I've had good luck so far. (knock-on-wood)



BTW: why do edge comps like to fry pumps anyway? to much voltage?

It's not exclusive just to Edge Comps, but all wire tap fueling boxes



You run the risk of overheating the solenoid coil. Once it gets too hot from the higher duty cycle the insulation can break down leaving you with a useless piece of copper.

 

[Piers]

WOW, lets all take a chill pill.

First of, Ray's pump was rebuilt at no charge, it was mechanically okay, but we went right thru it anyway The electronics were fried, he was advised that the electronics were not covered by warrenty, and my cost to replace them was $600. 00, I offered to split the cost, Ray agreed, then changed his mind, then we talked some more and he agreed to split the bill. I might add that he was also double stacking modules. There are a few things going on here, one big one, that only the driver has control over, is heat. Heat is the biggest killer of the electronics on these pumps. Double stacking boxes does nothing to help the heat, only put more on. But that can helped somewhat, by not running low on fuel, the fuel is used for lubrication & cooling & if the pump is getting hot fuel, your cooling effect is greatly diminished, thereby leading to the early death of the electronics. Ever wonder why some people can blow up turbo's, head gaskets, pumps, etc and other people run the same combo, with good success... . driving habits play a big roll in things. Keeping a cool fuel supply, cooling down the turbo before shutting off the engine, bringing the engine to full operating tempreture, before getting on it, all help.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Piers, now that we have your attention , perhaps you can report at least in a small way what is involved in the "hotrodding" of the VP-44's you do, especially any that might directly relate to increased lifespan of the pump - the "value" of higher performance MIGHT be somewhat diminished if the lifespan is not also enhanced...



Thanks.

 

[Piers]

Hi Gary, hope life is treating you well.

We do put new electronics on the pumps, a new psg & soleniod, but they are stock Bosch parts.

The extra power comes from mechanical parts, a bigger head & rotor assembly, different cam ring. And mecanically we do warrenty the pumps for 1 year, even give a 30 day satisfaction garrentee, but there is not much I can do about the electronics, trust me, I wish I could.



So Bob, you telling me your pumps are fully warrentied for a year, no matter how many modules I stack? If that's the case, sell me some, we'll see if your tune is still the same after you start swallowing the repair costs.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Piers, I was more interested in the internal mechanical parts of the pump that by now have proved to be most susceptible to failure - are the "hotrodded" pumps upgraded or in any way improved there as well? Maybe that improvement lies in the parts you listed above?



Since I am as vulnerable to pump failure as the rest, I like to keep informed as to options if needed...

 

[Piers]

Yes, Gary, that's the main part of the changes. Are they infailable, nope, but they are made of a better material & the tolerances and finish are better that the stock parts. As I said before, the mechanical portion is warrentied for a year, just not the electronics.

 

[turbo lcc]

Piers . . what do you mean by stacking boxes??



Like an FMS and a timing box?

 

[BillGotthelf]

Propuller I too have been waiting and waiting and waiting for my Hot Rod VP44. I heard I was #4 in line but until they get their Bosch test stand working they ain't making any.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by turbo lcc

Piers . . what do you mean by stacking boxes??



Like an FMS and a timing box?

It has to do with the combined Duty cycle of the boxes.



up to 60% over stock "should" be ok for short runs..... anything over that... . well, you are on borrowed time.

 

[ragullet]

TO REPLY TO MARKS STATEMENT ABOUT BUYING ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND WARRANTY: ALL I CAN SAY IS CHRYSLER TELLS YOU IF YOU PUT A CHIP ON, IT VOIDS YOUR WARRNTY !!!! NOT YA GO HEAD DO WHAT YOU WANT THEN 6 MONTHS LATER OH THERES NO WARRNTY IF YOU PUT A CHIP ON THIS PUMP. AND ALSO THATS WHY I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE QUESTION "IS THE PUMP UNDER WARRANTY IF I SCOTCH LOCK THE WIRE?" PIERS REPLY WAS " YES, WE KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOX ON IT. " AS FAR AS PIERS STATEMENT ABOUT STACKING CHIPS, I AM NOT STACKING FUELING CHIPS, I DO HAVE A BLUE CHIP FMS AND A BLUE CHIP TIMING CHIP. I HAVE A FASS UNIT AND I AM RUNNING GREAT FUEL PRESSURE WHICH ONLY DROPS 2 POUNDS WHEN I AM WIDE OPEN. BY THE WAY I SPOKE WITH PIERS MANUFACTURER OF THESE PUMPS (SUPER NICE GUY) HE ASSURED ME HE NEVER TOLD PIERS THERE WAS A ONE YEAR WARRANTY. IN MY OPINION PIERS IS USING THE WARRANTY PROMISE AS A SALES TATIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RAY GULLET.

 

[Snow man]

I am watching this thread closely having considered the hot rod vp44 myself. I have the Edge Drag comp. its been on will be 3 yrs in august. I have the original vp44,and 94K miles on it over 45K with the drag comp. Not one problem at all. I use the comp every day,usually on level 1-3 daily,and 5x5 for any racing or hot rodding around.

I had a warranty experience with Piers with my PDR twins. A little over a month after i got them the HX40 went bad, it didnt blow ,but it was rubbing the housing. When i called Piers,i told him up front that i had left the wastegate hose off,or it blew off while tuning the twins. Then with it off at the Kauffmans meet, i shot over a 100Hp shot of nitrous on the twins, with NO wastegate on the hx40 I bet i ran over 10lbs of nitrous thru it easy. I also had a leaky intercooler,(but didnt know it at the time)so the boost wasnt going over 70psi,even though the turbo was working way to hard. . When Piers got the turbo he said it was overspeeded(I kinda figured it was),and he took care of it and warrantied it ,even though the failure was totally my fauly,IMO. So my experience with Piers with warranty has been excellent to say the least. The only thing i didnt like was it took a long time to get the warrantied one back to me. But i told him i had one to use while it was being done,or he'd had rushed one right out.

 

[Hornball]

this is getting away for the topic a bit. But if the main problem with fuel boxes on the vp is the electronics, could a pump cover be developed that would allow larger heat sinks or say a computer fan. How about a heavy duty solenoid, with say a heat sink. I dont know much about the inner workings of the vp so i dont even know if the electronic effected are accessed by the pump cover or if there is room for such devices. Anyway just an idea.



Thanks for any input

Kevin

 

[csutton7]

I'm siding with Piers on this one Ray--first you bad mouth him and then we find out you guys worked out the issues and now you're bad mouthing him again---Piers is a first class guy and his reputation has never ever been questioned---talking to the manufacturer after the fact--what's he going to say--he knows you're ticked and he doesn't want to get into a beef with you, so it's easy for him say what ever to keep you from blowing a gasket and if one has failed do you think he wants to say oh yea I told Piers that, knowing that others may fail also--yes I'm sure he's a nice guy also, but only he and Piers knows what was said and likewise between you and Piers--we've got different stories on all sides of the ballpark here--so now this thing is as clear as mud---but when electronics fail there is a 9. 99999... . /10 chance we will have to pay the piper again---chris

 

[ragullet]

OK CSUTTON7 YOU CAN SIDE WITH WHO EVER YOU WANT THAT COOL BUT THERE IS ALOT MORE TO THIS STORY THAT I AM NOT TELLING FOR SEVERAL REASONS BUT BOTTOM LINE IS IF YOU TELL SOMEONE THERE IS A WARRANTY THEN STAND BEHIND IT!!!

MY DAD TOLD ME IF A MANS WORD ISNT ANY GOOD THAT MAN ISNT ANY GOOD!!!SO DONT SAY WHAT YOU CANT DO.

 

[turbo lcc]

Originally posted by propuller

I was told by Harry at Piers that there would be a warranty if the pump cover was used. If mine would just get here i could see just how good they are. Ive had this thing ordered for almost 2 months & she hasnt shown up yet. I talked to Harry & he said they are having trouble with the Bosch test stand. Its a good thing i dont need my truck .



Kurt

hey guys am I reading this wrong or did the Piers crew tell another person that they could pierce the wire too.



Ray did you use the Bluechip cover? ( and turn the caps lock off )



BPonci



so now we are back in grade school? Calling names. . Dude grow up.

 

[csutton7]

Ray--there's always more to the story--I think everyone understands that when these things come up, some of it is always held back in good judgement--what's interesting is no one else has come and spoke up saying the same things you are, so those of us who know about Piers' reputation are skeptical about your situation---I'd agree I'd be ticked also if this happened to me, but somewhere there's something that's being left out and we may or may not ever get that info and really at this point what will it prove or get you---you know what you know, Piers knows what he knows and the builder knows what he knows and I'd bet if we asked you 3 to spell out what was said we'd get some variations between you-we already have variations between you and Piers-I bet you had some negotiations with Piers to get what you got on the repairs and it probably took longer than you wanted & you wanted it for free and you didn't get it for free--hence your stance--which would be most peoples stance--I can't see Piers saying there's a 1 yr warranty just to sell stuff, if the guy who builds the pumps isn't giving the same warranty --it doesn't add up to what we all know about Piers---it seems to me that when you and Piers were in talks before your initial purchase that something wasn't understood between you two when the warranty issue was asked---chris

 

[BPonci]

Usually adults dont wine and work it out between the TWO OF THEM! Im sorry was i talking to you?

 

[turbo lcc]

BPonci



So ADULTS call others names??