How about a $732 oil change?

[Uncle Joe]

For all the folks that complaint about the high cost of mother Mopars parts, I like to present a short list of maintnance costs on the new Ferrari Enzo:

Oil required: Shell Helix 10w60 (syn) $60 a quart,12. 2 quarts are required,cost of oil change is $732.

Brake pads are carbon ceramic, $6000 for all 4 wheels

brake rotors are also carbon ceramic,cost of replacemant for 4 is $24000.

... . Better sit down for this one, if for whatever reason you spilled the engine( did I mensioned the above oil is requred to maintain warrenty)It will cost you $200,000 for a replacment.

All figures above are copied from car & driver magazine july 2003 (just in case somebody thinks I been smoking crack when I came out with the figures)

 

[Rebel_Horseman]

:--)



Now I have another reason to like my Cummins.

 

[klenger]

The people who buy something like that buy it BECAUSE it cost so much to maintain. Gives them something to brag about on the golf course.

 

[snowracer69]

One of my previous flight instructors flies a King Air B200 out of Prescott. He told me that last years annual was over $15,000 and they didn't even find anything wrong... that was just checking things out!!! :--)



Couldn't imagine what overhauling the hot sections runs on that beast!!!



Can't take it with ya... might as well use it.

 

[Texas Diesel]

Yea when I get mine Enzo I'm using Delo 15W-40 and Autozone pads/rotors.

 

[snowracer69]

I don't know... maybe if you live in Florida or So. Cal or something, but sure not in Alaska...





Maybe Royal Purple or Amsoil even? Just a touch less viscosity with a little lighter weight.





Uh-oh... an oil thread... I got to get outta here!



#ad

 

[Truckie]

:--) :--) :--) :--) :--) :--) Man I hate to see what even some of the filters cost for that thing, like oil, air ,and fuel. If you need that 10w 60 motor oil what kind of tyranny fluid are they using, or clutch.

If brake pads cost $6000 Id hate to have to replace the clutch.

MIKE

 

[Chris N5CWM]

OK so what brand of windshield washer fluid is required under the warranty contract? Ferrari-fluid at $49. 95/gallon?

Anything else might make the paint streak right? LOL... .

 

[rholcom2]

All I have to say is that when I get old, I hope to be able to afford a car that could pull half the "trim" that a Ferrari could pull for me. Must be nice!!!!





Chicks Dig Them!!!!!!

 

[Un-Hemi]

Ahem.

Just to put things in perspective, the annual on the trusty ol' 172 cost us $350. 00 this year. There's big planes with big bills, and there's little planes with little bills!



BTW, SWMBO wants a Beech 18! :{

 

[tntway]

now boys......

go back into the latest TDR and check out the article on the DIESEL powered aircraft... ..... THAT's how i'd put my money in the air

 

[y-knot]

You are absolutely right about the up-keep on exotic cars and aircraft. I had a job at an local airport for awhile installing run way equipment, and got to know alot of guy's. and girls that fly. The storage alone for an enclosed, lockable space is around 700. 00 a month. The owner had a very nice twin engine plan that he used for transporting business executives, to the key's. The annual to odd years was 17,000. 00 If they didn't find anything wrong, and on even years it was 42,000 since they have tow do more then. I also got to witness three wheels UP landings, and they are very expensive also. One was a twin, and the other two were smaller singles. The singles the props go for around 5000. 00, and when the prop hits the ground it also bends the crank, so the rebuild for a four cylinder is 10-15,000. 00. The twin bent both props (they were much more expensive, were adjustable,w/heaters), had to replace both engines (6 cyl's), and repair the bottom of the plane. I believe it was over 50,K dollars in damage. The funny thing is he was test flying a new plane he was thinking about buying, and just forgot to put down the wheels (that is something, I hope I would not forget). Also every time they have an accident like that, nothing can be touched till the FFA fly's in and see's it, so they basically closed down the airport.

 

[snowracer69]

Re: now boys......

Originally posted by tntway

go back into the latest TDR and check out the article on the DIESEL powered aircraft... ..... THAT's how i'd put my money in the air

hahahaha..... little do you know how my mind works!!! Depending on how well I do at getting a job with my dream company (Lancair in Bend, OR), and what projects they have in their skunk-works department, I plan to someday build/market a diesel aircraft, and you'll never guess what engine I hope to use... .



I believe there are three certified planes now that can use either a diesel conversion, or are being built with the diesel engine. They run off Jet-A and are extremely efficient. One of them is a new light twin that is cruising at 180 kts while burning a mere 8 gallons/hour COMBINED!!! The turbo seminole I've flown a bunch in burns 12 gal/hour/side at 160 kts. Talk about an improvement.



My name is Josh, I love diesels and airplanes, and plan on putting the two together in the future... as long as I can find another enginerd at Cummins who will design me a 4 cly engine that will run inverted and throw out about 200 SHP and 400 ft-lbf torque... Screw running a high HP engine at high RPM's... I'm gonna run low HP, high torque, low RPM's and swing a HUGE prop!!!

 

[GWDiesel]

V4 Diesel Aircraft Eng.

MR:snowracer69

Try this web site,www.deltahawkengines.com

This is a very neat 2 cycle FAA approved engine,Roots/turbo

charged,and Diesel !! GWD

 

[Chris N5CWM]

this is interesting..

Diesel powered aircraft isn't a new concept. There was one back in the '30s! Packard built an experimental diesel engine and had one in a 1929 Buhl Sport Airsedan, among other aircraft. This plane still exists at the Golden Wings Aircraft Museum. There is a picture of the Buhl at that link too.



Here is more information, a short history of the Packard diesel.



I'd love to have a diesel powered plane as well.



I have a DeltaHawk diesel engines brochure that I picked up from their display booth at Oshkosh EAA Air Venture this year. Cool concept, a nice compact powerful package.

 

[Chris N5CWM]

Here are a bunch of other links to diesel engines.



Maybe we should start a new thread titled Diesel Aircraft engines or something? We're starting to get a thread drift here!

 

[RustyJC]

Actually, I think there were some Diesel radial aircraft engines developed back in the WWII era. I don't know if any made it into full-bore production.



Rusty

 

[klenger]

In an attempt to put the cost of aircraft annual (or phase) inspections into perspective, I think the cost of an inspection covers certain prentative maintenance such as fluid changes, and time change items such as seals, etc.



Also, comparing operating and maintenance expenses of a business aircraft to a passenger car or light truck is not really relevant. Business aircraft are a tool which many business cannot exist without. Comparing the operating cost of that tool to a car or truck is like comparing the operating cost of an oil well rig or mining crane to a car. The company I work for has a King Air 350. Without it, we would be out of business, but then we are in the aviation business.

 

[Mtngoat]

Must be like walking into a Rolls dealer in England. If you find one you like and you ask how much, they realize you can't afford it.



Robin

 

[JoeBioDiesel]

I am a teacher by profession, but I work as a mechanic during the summer months sometimes. This past summer I worked at my buddy's shop, where they work on exotics. We did a 15K service on a Ferrari Testarossa (V-12). It pays 40 hrs in labor, engine comes out etc. , The bill was around $8,000. 00 if I remember right. Got to drive a new 360 F-1 spider too... unbelievable car...



Joe