How do commercial jets slow down when Landing?

[AfterBurner]

"Any idiot can land on 10,000 feet of concrete. "

---anonymous Navy Carrier Pilot

Yeah, but hose navy guys have to have something to catch them. They need momma to hold them when they land, and tell them it's ok.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Hi Jim



So... is E-6 your A/C or your paygrade?



Sorry, I couldn't resist.



Thank you for your service.

Thanks buddy, both actually! I did my first tour on the west coast and made two trips to the gulf before coming here to the dry Navy. The schedule is getting rougher this year and I can't plan any events but it pays well and I'm thankful... ... . remember you pay for my power so hats off to you!



BOTW, Flight Engineer... ... real one not some fly boy



Jim

 

[Jim Fulmer]

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COMP 461 (Greg) calls it the White Whisper Jet... ... ... ... ... . I call it 3300 hours and counting and 6+ years to go!



Jim

 

[snowracer69]

I'll design 'em, you guys fly 'em, k?







Klenger, you got PM

 

[IRNGOAT]

I thought you never were going to chime in jim.

 

[RT66DOC]

AfterBurner,



Let me preface this barbed comment by saying that I have the utmost respect and gratitude to all men and women who serve in all our military branches.



That said, on with the barb. Go try a couple night carrier landings in 30' seas and get back to me on that.



If your current rank, security clearance, whatever doesn't lend itself to getting within a couple miles of the Nimitz, Abraham Lincoln, Stennis, whatever, you can always go for second best, which would be going to your local library and checking out two books by Cdr. Ward Carroll, USN Ret. 15 year F-14 RIO. "Punk's War" and "Punk's Wing. "



Speaking of the USS Stennis (drum roll):

 

[SGibson]

a airshow everyday, great pic!

 

[RT66DOC]

Fly Navy. Yea, that's one of those Holy Moly moments. I use it as one of my screensavers to remind myself how lucky we are to have guys out there with the cojones to do this stuff so we can sit here and stare at our screensavers in peace.



Addendum to AfterBurner: FWIW, in my stack of important stuff I do just happen to have autographed photos of the 2002 Thunderbirds. (Eatchur heartout. )

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Yea that guy got grounded for 30 days doing that fly by stunt... ... ... ..... heck he was just having fun. It's actually better to watch them at 200 ft and 740 MPH... ... ... ... ... ... . BOOOOOOOOM. Nothing like a supersonic fly by... ... ... . Sheid's truck coming out of the hole is close.



BOTW, I have a short clip of a fly by but no place to post it.



I'd still like to take the 707 for a fly by@500 ft pushing . 88 mach, it's odd to see something that big go that fast but she'll do it.



Jim

 

[RT66DOC]

Back in the '60s a buddy of mine in med school had been a TWA 707 Captain in a former life. (Never could figure why he'd want to trade the left seat of that bird for a stethoscope) His usual "run" was JFK-Heathrow. Said he did exactly what you're talking about for an airshow in Europe somewhere - flat out @ 250' right down the runway to the awe and amazement of the fans. He always said that bird would haul butt.



BTW Jim, even tho' you're a Navy guy, I suppose y'all know what the Buff is?

 

[AfterBurner]

The AF is the best, but the F-14 is very photogenic, check this one out.

 

[SGibson]

after 3 cruises on Indy as a slotchecker you become acclimated to seeing this stuff and some you don't want to see again, Had a 15 from eglin make a supersonic pass over the deck one day between launches, I was lost in my world of ductdiving and oilsamples and was caught by suprise, felt like it knocked the deck out from under my feet, and looking for the firehose, thought maybe one of those ancient F-8's blew up engaging a/b.

 

[RT66DOC]

The AF is the best, but the F-14 is very photogenic, check this one out.

So AB, how long did it take you to do that in Photoshop? :-laf

 

[Hohn]

Not all jets have a thrust reversing system. The Air Force listened to some general one time when he said that we didn't need thrust reversers on the KC-135R and they paid to have them taken off. (Oooooo, that was a smart move. NOT!) So now all we have are the brakes on the trucks. (trucks are a part of the landing gear for those of you who didn't know)

WD

The R-model engines are so powerful that removing the thrust reversers probably saved a lot of cracked wing roots.



If the throttles on the R model are moved up too fast, it will rip off the wings. How's *that* for thrust?



Justin

 

[Hohn]

Fly Navy. Yea, that's one of those Holy Moly moments. I use it as one of my screensavers to remind myself how lucky we are to have guys out there with the cojones to do this stuff so we can sit here and stare at our screensavers in peace.



Addendum to AfterBurner: FWIW, in my stack of important stuff I do just happen to have autographed photos of the 2002 Thunderbirds. (Eatchur heartout. )

I had a Commander at the USAFA that was a real stud-- prior enlisted, Thunderbird 8 (the only two-seater, used for celeb promo rides and such), Risner Trophy winner (best F-16 jock in USAF).



He was the most humble guy I've known. Not what you'd expect in a fighter jock at all.



Justin

 

[Hohn]

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I'd still like to take the 707 for a fly by@500 ft pushing . 88 mach, it's odd to see something that big go that fast but she'll do it.



Jim

Jim, when I was an enlisted guy working B-1 bombers at Dyess 1994-1996, we used to get weekly high-speed passes over the flightline just off the deck-- 200 ft-- to celebrate COB on Friday and another week of sorties.



The practice was discontinued when one jet went Supersonic at the end of the runway and did over $50K in damage to a trailer park just outside the north gate.



You haven't lived until you've stood between TWO B-1 bombers in full afterburner on simultaneous side-by-side engine runs. I had ear plugs AND ear muffs on, and it was STILL deafening. I could barely breathe.



Dyess was also cool because we could be Space Shuttle stopovers when it was piggybacking from Edwards to Canaveral.



Justin

 

[AfterBurner]

Actually, that F-14 pic was straight from the Navy website.

If you go to military.com you can see one do a supersonic flyby, then explode. :--)

 

[AfterBurner]

Did somebody say thrust?

 

[AfterBurner]

back on topic, this is how the F-15 does it.

 

[WDaniels]

The R-model engines are so powerful that removing the thrust reversers probably saved a lot of cracked wing roots.

Hohn, sorry ole buddy to rain on your parade but part of our trim procedures is to advance the engines from idle to TRT in one to two seconds. The fan on that thing is so big it will not accelerate fast enough to do what you say. Many a time I've advance the throttles as fast as I can and nada. What the "R" engine can't take is a quick retard of the throttles. GE engines can't take stalls at all, If they stall, we have to borescope the entire engine. That sucks outside. These engines are not as fun as the old TF-33. Those you could stall all day long and nothing would happen to them. We used to try and stall them on purpose.

WD