I was in line at the post office the other day, and two guys were talking Dodges behind me. I asked the one that was talking about his new plate, which plate he paid to get installed. He did not know, so I just mentioned that he might ought to get gauges. He said, "My mechanic is the best around and he knows what he is doing, I would put my Dodge up against anybodys. " I just said, "Its best to have gauges you could really be running hot. " Anyway, he was friendly, just did not want to hear what I had to say. I just know how this stuff works. A guy gets his cummins running really good, (w/no gauges), next thing you know a turbo blows or he melts some pistons and the Cummins is the worst pos ever built, and he is a Ford man for life. I know two folks that did this already. I am just not good at making suggestions without making some one mad. By the way, I had 3 12 valvers, and have worked on dozens of them, I am by no means a pro, but I do know when you need gauges. This guy may be a member, just doesn't know how important gauges are. What is the best way to spread the word, I just hate to see something happen that could have been prevented. I should shut up now, my gauges are still in a box in the garage. Whoops.