HoW Many Springs In 3K GSK???

[LI Camper]

I'm getting ready to do Piers 3000 spring kit, and I've been reading about there being 3 springs (on each side I presume). My kit only came with 4 total, is that the right amount?? Also the directions say to go in from the plug on the side, which way is easier? Thanks for the help, I'm getting ready for Mass diesel to do my DTT upgrade, can't wait.

 

[RottnDogue]

If I remember correctly, because Matt did all the work... Thanks Matt

there are 4 springs in the kit, and you reuse the two largest stock ones...



Darren

 

[LI Camper]

Darren,

Thanks for the reply, I wish I could have gone to the meet on the 16th but it was my last day of work. Now I have to do this solo, oh well time to learn some more.

Barry

Scott's got me booked for the 27th, VB/TC and upgrade, DTT.

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by LI Camper

Darren,

Thanks for the reply, I wish I could have gone to the meet on the 16th but it was my last day of work. Now I have to do this solo, oh well time to learn some more.

Barry

Scott's got me booked for the 27th, VB/TC and upgrade, DTT.

Sounds like the boyz are setting up another wrench day in April if you need help, you might find it there, unfortunately I can only give moral support, as Matt did all the work while I held my Pizza and beer. I can't wait for the day I can say those words... My Trans is suckin wind.



Darren

 

[Koa Man]

There are 4 springs in the kit, you remove all the stock ones. Mine had 3 stock springs per side. You do not reuse any of the stock springs. The only thing you do reuse is the top spring seat and nut. Piers will supply you with new bottom seats, which are different from the stock ones.

 

[JGK]

Whoa, KoaMan

Things must be different between years of trucks. In mine (an early '98) I had 4 springs on each side. On each side you keep the largest and replace the 3 smaller ones with 2 from the kit. Basically, there is no replacement for the smallest of the 4, which is just large enough to fit over the stud.



The spring seats on the 3 inner ones and all related shims were replaced with Piers new seats. No shims were put back in, except what might be found on the largest spring.



While I've only done it once, I found that going through the plug on the side was easier since the springs are right there, but you need a small mirror sometimes to see down the hole. And you have to remove the solenoid (and I removed the fuel shut off lever and removed one bolt to swing the shut-off lever stop up out of the way). However, you do have to commit to cutting that safety wire.



-Jay

 

[SlyBones]

First the 3K kit comes with 4 springs 2 per side, the 4K kit comes with 6 springs 3 per side. Correct?



I was thinking its the little tiny spring that gets added with the 4K kit.



Also I read once on this board that Piers special seat design is different if you have a manual versus an automatic. This true??



And some trucks only have 3 springs stock and others 4??



And some people replace all the springs and some people dont??



Now I am even more confused.

 

[Ben Rumson]

Camper...

I put a 3k set in 2 weeks ago.



I went in through the TOP while I had my plate removed. Although I have never gone in through the side port, I was glad I went in through the top because I could "see" what I was doing very well. Having been there, I'd feel just as comfortable using the side port.



Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked as though the side port gives you less of a chance of dropping anything into the pump because the spring tube maatches up directly with the port hole and helps keep stuff from getting around adn into the pump. I dropped a retaining nut in the pump oil galley and scared the shiiii out of me. I quickly fished it out with my telescoping pencil magnet, took 4 valum and proceded with the "operation".



It was like playing Operation as a grown up.



Regardless of the number of springs that are in there stock, you only reuse the outer, largest spring. Remove all inner springs, shims, and foot plate from each side. Once you have everything out except the outermost spring, install the new foot plate (round pyrmid shaped button) and a new set (2) of springs. The only thing you'll reuse it the largest outer spring.



Larry B had a good way of measuring the correct "distance" to reinstall the retaining nuts. Simply count the number of turns in degrees until the top of the nut is flush with the top of the bolt, write it down, remove the nut all the way. Switch out the springs, reinstall the nut till flush with the top of the nut, then finish it to the number of turns that it took to make it flush.



Good Luck ! Your're gunna love it.



PS my truck is in the shop as we speak getting my new DTT installed..... didn't know time could go so slow... . a second is a helllll of a long time!

 

[RottnDogue]

Ok which is it?? Reuse the stock outer springs?



Or as Koa Man stated:



****"There are 4 springs in the kit, you remove all the stock ones. You do not reuse any of the stock springs. The only thing you do reuse is the top spring seat and nut. "****

 

[TKemper]

Hey guys. I was like a little kid when I came home today and saw the package UPS delivered. It was my 3K GSK and overflow valve. So I have the directions in hand and it says:

QUOTE step 13 Remove the spring retainer and all inner springs (leave large spring in place) Remove inner spring seat assembly at the bottom of the bore and remove any shims that are installed. Check for shims stuck to the springs or seats. Do not reinstall shims as they are no longer required. Use only the springs contained in your new kit. Do not reuse any of your original springs other than the large spring left in place at the beginning of this step.

step 14 Install new lower spring seat and springs. Install upper spring seat and adjusting nut. Adjust to the measurement noted at disassembly.

Hope this helps. Todd

 

[RottnDogue]

Maybe those are just the directions for the Main Land?

 

[JGK]

Ben,



It was my concern about bringing every thing up from above via a magnet that caused me to decide to go through the plug. I just didn't want to lose something and have to fish it out from the plate hole.



The disadvantages of using the plug on the side is:



1. Cutting the wire.

2. Removing the solenoid, lever, and moving the stop.

3. Not seeing directly into the hole. A small mirror is handy.

4. Everyting is laying on its side (the stud is esentially horizontal). This makes things tend to want to come right out all at once.



The advantages are:

1. the end of the stud is right behind the plug, so losing a spring inside is much less likely, though you could lose a shim or a seat. You could possibly slip a wire down the side of the stud and just about slip all springs and seats out in one step.

2. You can actually grab the (smaller) springs with your fingers (if they aren't too big) and R&R the keeper and nut with your hands.

3. I think measuring the depth of the nut to the top of the stud is easier.



You'd have to do it both ways to have an informed opinion.



-Jay

 

[Pthomas]

Sly is correct

the outer spring is the idle spring that stays!

4K three inners per side.

3K two inners per side.

 

[R.ebel]

springs

step 13 Remove the spring retainer and all inner springs (leave large spring in place) Remove inner spring seat assembly at the bottom of the bore and remove any shims that are installed. Check for shims stuck to the springs or seats. Do not reinstall shims as they are no longer required. Use only the springs contained in your new kit. Do not reuse any of your original springs other than the large spring left in place at the beginning of this step.

Installed a 3000 rpm kit a couple of weeks ago , the instructions read as above.

 

[R.ebel]

springs

step 13 Remove the spring retainer and all inner springs (leave large spring in place) Remove inner spring seat assembly at the bottom of the bore and remove any shims that are installed. Check for shims stuck to the springs or seats. Do not reinstall shims as they are no longer required. Use only the springs contained in your new kit. Do not reuse any of your original springs other than the large spring left in place at the beginning of this step.

Installed a 3000 rpm kit a couple of weeks ago. The instructions that were sent with the kit read as above.



Edit: There were 4 springs and 2 spring seats in the kit.

 

[JKing]

I discovered an easy (although took just a little longer) way to put the spings in. I was going into the side of the pump from under the hood and dropped one of the spring retaining nuts. Didn't hit the ground so I removed the left wheel and inner fender liner to make it easier to look for it. The side of the pump is right there in front of you when you look through the fender well. No mirrors, no bruised or scratched forearms! Made measurements and adjustments a snap! Left the truck up on the jackstand for spring and idle adjustments. Only extra cost was about $4 for new retainer clips at PepBoys. If I had to put in another spring set I would go the fender well route from the start.



Jeff

 

[bighammer]

I hear putting the plug back in can be difficult

 

[Deezul1]

The 5 speed and auto seats are different.

 

[Koa Man]

Now I'm confused! I thought I took out all the springs and only replaced it with the ones Piers sent. If I did remove ALL stock springs, including the big one, then truck shouldn't run right. As it is, the idle did not change after the install and truck runs up to 3200 rpm with full power. I am NOT about to take it apart again to check! Anyway, I DO know that I removed 3 per side. In any case, I would follow the instruction sheet and not listen to myself.

 

[SlyBones]

Thanks,

Now Im not confused anymore.