Competition HP vs TQ one..more..time......

[GIT-R-DONE]

Now THIS oughta be interesting !

 

[nascar mark]

Richard and Bill,

As both of you know I'm familiar with your trucks and engines. If both of you are serious and want to get it on, I'll be glad to personally open our doors at PDR to let this happen. I'll inspect the trucks and engines, dyno your trucks back to back and escort both trucks to the track and weigh in so no one can say anyone did this or that to their truck before the race. The April 16-17 race at Mission raceway which is 20 mins from our shop, would give you both plenty of time to make the show.



And Greg (Comp461) the same goes for you. Come on up and show us what you got.



Let me know if you guys want to play.

 

[COMP461]

you get the EDGE truck to show up , and its any track, my truck will not fit on a dyno , the score boards are my only concern .

 

[big jake 1]

Hey COMP the know-it-all you mind telling me where my truck was weighed? and where you there to see it? or are you just basing your BS on what Mr. smarty pants Fletch told you? : For starters my truck has "Never" been on the scales at any event period. So old Fletchers friends brothers half sister that's married to her first cousin didn't see jack!!!

My truck with my big butt in it weighs 7000lbs in drag racing form which is I take the tailgate off, the rear bumper is a fiberglass roll pan, the rear fuel tank is gone, no spare tire, and no rear seat. The truck has a custom hitch behind the roll pan and will pull a trailer with Fletchers truck on it with ease cross county with the AC blowing cold air, and the cruise control set at 85. :-laf

Anyone want to bet that Fletchers truck is at least 1800lbs lighter than my truck? In fact Fletch how about we put this issue to rest by setting up a time and place to officially weigh our trucks and you pick who inspects my truck before it goes on the scales and I get to pick who inspects your truck. But wait that's not all we could then roll them on the dyno and see who makes the most horsepower on diesel only (we could use the same inspectors) so there was no funny stuff and then for the big event we could line them up and run on just #2 ( no stopping in the pits and throwing the nitrous in after you have convinced everyone by raising the nitrous bottle above your head that your first run was on diesel only)

Do you think we could sells tickets to this event? :

Richard:



Don't let them raise the hood on your truck, we don't want anyone knowing about the tweaked 6. 9 fire-breather with the BANKS you are running





big jake



THE FORD GUY Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[nascar mark]

you get the EDGE truck to show up , and its any track, my truck will not fit on a dyno , the score boards are my only concern .

Greg,

Why won't your truck fit on a dyno? And please don't say your rear end is to narrow or to much power as we have run more than what you have for power and narrowed rear ends. Height isn't a problem too.

This way you can post the big #'s and nobody can say prove it as it will be out there for everyone to see.



Mark

 

[COMP461]

Hey COMP the know-it-all you mind telling me where my truck was weighed? and where you there to see it? or are you just basing your BS on what Mr. smarty pants Fletch told you? For starters my truck has "Never" been on the scales at any event period. So old Fletchers friends brothers half sister that's married to her first cousin didn't see jack!!!

My truck with my big butt in it weighs 7000lbs in drag racing form which is I take the tailgate off, the rear bumper is a fiberglass roll pan, the rear fuel tank is gone, no spare tire, and no rear seat. The truck has a custom hitch behind the roll pan and will pull a trailer with Fletchers truck on it with ease cross county with the AC blowing cold air, and the cruise control set at 85. :-laf

Anyone want to bet that Fletchers truck is at least 1800lbs lighter than my truck? In fact Fletch how about we put this issue to rest by setting up a time and place to officially weigh our trucks and you pick who inspects my truck before it goes on the scales and I get to pick who inspects your truck. But wait that's not all we could then roll them on the dyno and see who makes the most horsepower on diesel only (we could use the same inspectors) so there was no funny stuff :-laf and then for the big event we could line them up and run on just #2 ( no stopping in the pits and throwing the nitrous in after you have convinced everyone by raising the nitrous bottle above your head that your first run was on diesel only) :-laf

Do you think we could sells tickets to this event? :{ :-laf

you act like being obese is a status symbol... .



maybe we could stack weight on your truck,,,,,, would that make you feel better about being slower then Fletcher , if you so confident you are capable of making more power , then NHRA is the place you aught to be ,in Super Stock, where the scales don’t lie , and the score boards are the only measure of performance.



Fletch did the pass with no nitrous , on a green motor . when he is finished , I’m sure the truck will run deep in the nines , at this point he is the second fastest diesel truck in the world. , and the third faster diesel period.



I’m sure that when Fletch gets his little truck out he will follow me in the seven second zone , then we can match race the two fastest truck at NHRdA event . and both race in the comp ranks in NHRA

 

[MADDOG2]

you get the EDGE truck to show up , and its any track, my truck will not fit on a dyno , the score boards are my only concern .

This topic has nothing to do with your tube chassis fiberglass impression of a mid-sized Dodge dakota pick-up, or the EDGE truck. It has to do with you thinking my truck is as light as Fletchers or the Red Rocket. You do the math COMP. Ford F350 crewcab 4X4 with rollcage Dana 60 solid front axle, 300lbs worth of E4OD, 1356 t-case a 3. 5 inch two piece rear drive shaft that is longer than your dakota, stock frame and suspension (big leaf springs front and rear) twin turbos that weigh just a tad more than your head, stock sheet metal (no fiberglass except rollpan) AC that works, a huge intercooler 20" X 10" wheels with 35" Toyo's, stock interior minus rear seat, 5" exhaust with two big stacks, big front and rear sway bars. And yep you guessed it with all that it floats onto the scale at a mere 5800lbs. :-laf :-laf :-laf

Oh I forgot to mention I fill the tires with Helium.



BTW, I think I will stick with the DHRA.

 

[Hammer]

you don’t seem to have run in the 8’s yet

Comp... .

So I guess since I have been alot faster than that I can say that you haven't been in the 6's,your theory with reasoning like that is ludicrious. All thru this thread Comp I see you boasting about your truck,what it has,how light it is,and the newest parts you install all of that means nothing to the questions that were asked about HP vs Tq. BTW,so you do not continually cry you can not dyno your truck on a stationary jet and feed these people BS,I'll be the guy to tell you your wrong. I have seen plenty of Pro-stock trucks on a jet along with some of the current Pro-Stock teams roll for some tune time. It can be done and its not any tougher to strap down you than it is a street ride.



Graphic Man. .

Your almost correct,but,you need a good balance of both for a win to happen in drag racing. Tq gets you your short times and HP gives you your trap speeds,a proper tune to which both are utilized to the best of the combinations ability gives you a chance for a win. Now if your caught napping at the light,then thats another story.



Kendrick is correct also,man someone pass me the Motrin bottle,that hurt. Sled Pullers are the owners who did the initial pioneer work for diesels and rpms. They do not want torque to pull the sled down the track as all it will do is break parts. However,if they can use the torque to initiate the sleds first movement they can then use higher RPM's to keep the wheel speeds up and use HP to move it and keep breakage to a minimum. Ask Sleddy what happens when you try and use Tq to move a sled,one whole year I tried to tell him and he broke every driveline part he had. Sometimes even a friend can not help teach,only a wallet which is begging for mercy can.



One thing I fail to understand yet with ANY of the diesel motorsports is why so much RPM is used. One thing I have learned over the years is valve float kills more HP/Tq and breaks more motors apart than most will ever admit. I understand they have now finally gotten out of the ice age and gone to roller cams and somewhat better valve trains and gear,but,has any of them actually figured out why valve float still happens when you reach nearly twice the engines factory operating range?. Another thing to consider is how much et/sled distance you will loose once the motors do go into valve float as they will not come out of float till they reach an idle again.



Earlier someone asked which would light more light bulbs a 600hp 528 Hemi or a 600hp Cummins. The Hemi would of course as it would rpm much more freely and generators are not much of a load to turn.



One last note and I'll go dig my complete flame suit out of the dry cleaning bag downstairs. Those who don't believe Maddog's truck is the real deal need to just sit down and look over his time slips a time or two. For the weight he runs at the incrementals are nothing short of amazing to me. This is one of the best running real trucks out there today even if its in a Ford body... ... ... . Andy

 

[Fletcher]

Hey COMP the know-it-all you mind telling me where my truck was weighed? and where you there to see it? or are you just basing your BS on what Mr. smarty pants Fletch told you? For starters my truck has "Never" been on the scales at any event period. So old Fletchers friends brothers half sister that's married to her first cousin didn't see jack!!!

My truck with my big butt in it weighs 7000lbs in drag racing form which is I take the tailgate off, the rear bumper is a fiberglass roll pan, the rear fuel tank is gone, no spare tire, and no rear seat. The truck has a custom hitch behind the roll pan and will pull a trailer with Fletchers truck on it with ease cross county with the AC blowing cold air, and the cruise control set at 85. :-laf

Anyone want to bet that Fletchers truck is at least 1800lbs lighter than my truck? In fact Fletch how about we put this issue to rest by setting up a time and place to officially weigh our trucks and you pick who inspects my truck before it goes on the scales and I get to pick who inspects your truck. But wait that's not all we could then roll them on the dyno and see who makes the most horsepower on diesel only (we could use the same inspectors) so there was no funny stuff :-laf and then for the big event we could line them up and run on just #2 ( no stopping in the pits and throwing the nitrous in after you have convinced everyone by raising the nitrous bottle above your head that your first run was on diesel only) :-laf

Do you think we could sells tickets to this event? :{ :-laf

Hey “Part-time” you need some Nestle quick

 

[Sled Puller]

Earlier someone asked which would light more light bulbs a 600hp 528 Hemi or a 600hp Cummins. The Hemi would of course as it would rpm much more freely and generators are not much of a load to turn.

Hammer has hemi on the mind.



The Cummins.

Why?

With the god awful tq available, you could just keep adding gears, and turn that generator whatever speed you wanted, and keep the engine in the sweet spot.

The hemi would puke after a few minutes at 8000 rpm trying to make up for lack of torque..... longer, if Amsoil was used.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

..... longer, if Amsoil was used.

Good plug sleddy. . :-laf:-laf



Generators work at a specific rpm to maintain the 60hz phasing. the diesel will use the TQ to combat the load. It will see a much smaller decrease in rpm when faced with a larger load. as the load increases the turbo will spool and it will make more TQ until it runs out of fuel.



A 600hp OTR diesel is rated a coninuous HP. It'll do it all day long for months on end.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

you act like being obese is a status symbol... .



maybe we could stack weight on your truck,,,,,, would that make you feel better about being slower then Fletcher , if you so confident you are capable of making more power , then NHRA is the place you aught to be ,in Super Stock, where the scales don’t lie , and the score boards are the only measure of performance.



Fletch did the pass with no nitrous , on a green motor . when he is finished , I’m sure the truck will run deep in the nines , at this point he is the second fastest diesel truck in the world. , and the third faster diesel period.



I’m sure that when Fletch gets his little truck out he will follow me in the seven second zone , then we can match race the two fastest truck at NHRdA event . and both race in the comp ranks in NHRA

You act like being a trailer queen is a status symbol.



You are comparing apples to oranges. Fletch has a dedicated race truck. Maddog has a daily driver.



I dare say that given the weight difference Maddog is easily making more power. More power is the goal here. Putting it to the ground is the proof. a 7000# truck running 10. 5 on #2 is flat haulin' @$$.



Nobody is belittling Fletch. He's making tons of power and going fast. To compare the two side by side is not an appropriate comparison.



Why don't you put your race motor in something you can drive to the track pulling a BIG trailer and see how fast you can go?



You're not going to build a street truck and Maddog isn't going to tub his daily driver. Let it rest.



FWIW,

Mark

 

[MADDOG2]

Hey “Part-time” you need some Nestle quick

Is that the best you got? I was hoping for one of your bull stories. :-laf

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Now what would happen , say, if ole MADDOG and Fletch weighed their trucks and , say Fletch made up the difference ( providing his truck is lighter ) by adding the wieght to the bed to make them the same weight..... Who would win in that Drag race?



Fletch, do you even have a bed floor in the truck?

 

[COMP461]

now that would be what we are working towards in the NHRA SS / diesel class.

 

[Fletcher]

Now what would happen , say, if ole MADDOG and Fletch weighed their trucks and , say Fletch made up the difference ( providing his truck is lighter ) by adding the wieght to the bed to make them the same weight..... Who would win in that Drag race?



Fletch, do you even have a bed floor in the truck?

Is this a trick question ? he hasn't ever completed a run :-laf BTW; I'm going to post my time slip on the same thread he posted his illusive 10 sec run however, I forgot what thread that was, can someone remind me?

 

[Fletcher]

Now what would happen , say, if ole MADDOG and Fletch weighed their trucks and , say Fletch made up the difference ( providing his truck is lighter ) by adding the wieght to the bed to make them the same weight..... Who would win in that Drag race?



Fletch, do you even have a bed floor in the truck?

I'll put the 200 pounds difference in my truck then, "PART-TIME" can do a

2 wheel drive launch. After I go through the traps, I'll come back around and help tow P/T back to the pits :-laf

 

[DavidTD]

Fletch did the pass with no nitrous , on a green motor . when he is finished , I’m sure the truck will run deep in the nines , at this point he is the second fastest diesel truck in the world. , and the third faster diesel period.

And where does Jeff Garmon fit in here Greg? (sorry couldn't resist) But we did weigh it before pushing it to pasture. 15,000 lbs I told him those steel wheels were heavy. :-laf

 

[COMP461]

opps David forgot about you all,

 

[Cooker]

COMP needs to stop spreading misinformation :-laf