Human Shields, Or Natural Selection?? What's the difference??

[RonaldLarson]

Like Daschle, [some] comments deserve no responses.

Look, we DO need more of this type of person in the world. It's called a target rich environment.

Ron, ROFLMAO





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Edited out direct attack on another user.

Robin

TDR Admin

03/23/03

 

[jwdeeming]

Re: No sense...

Originally posted by Champane Flight

I am not part of this conversation any longer. I said I would shut up when the fighting started, I am doing so now. You are all very eager to START a war. I am thinking there is going to be a loud POP when you all pull your heads out of your butts. I know history, and this will be a dark time in American history.



If you cannot tell the difference between what we are doing now and what we did in the past, too bad, I am not going to explain it to you. I guess all the lives lost on 9/11 died in vain. We are on a quest to see it happen again and again. You don't get it.

Too bad you quit. Before you edited your post, you alluded to an education that might surprise sdalton. I'd like to have been surprised too. I was looking forward to hearing how your educated understanding of history leads you to believe appeasing dictators and tyrants is a good idea.



History makes an airtight case that appeasers are the ones who have their heads in dark places. If you really believe peace can't be achieved through strength, you've never been up against a bully.



And we aren't anxious to START this war by the way. It was brought to us. THAT kind of thinking is what would cause the 9/11 deaths to have been in vain.

 

[Sled Puller]

Thats right, we didn't start NOTHIN.

But we is sure hell going to finish it.



I'm just a dumb non college eductbucated hilljack, but Mom told me when I was wee little, to stay away from moving equipment.



I watched a home movie from out west once, where a local Sheriff was bulldozing a road block by the US Forest Service.



Ranger Bob held a sign up that said something like" Don't do that. " and stood in front of the dozer. His mamma's training came back to him though, and he MOVED.



Missing Darwin by seconds... ... .



I don't miss her at all, she is what's wrong with the world.

 

[Champane Flight]

Make the case!

You and most everyone on this site say that there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11. Please make the connection, and do it without the same old blah, blah, blah, that our administration has come up with so far. The only one they had was one unit of HAMAS which was on the border of Iraq and Iran in an area Saddam was not even in control of. When interviewed by Al jeera they said that Saddam was a bigger enemy to them than the US!



We are going into Iraq to place our own people in power (puppet government) and have a military presence in the middle east. We also have the oil connection to go in for! We also are going into this for our Allie Israel! It also has something to do with getting to some nasty little secrets Saddam has on us (Rumsfield made arms deals with Saddam in 81-83 and many more). The last thing on the list is WMD, he may have them. He most likely will not use them (he knows how to put a little egg on our faces). There are other reasons for invasion, our government feels they are too secret to let the American public in on. Which in my mind says they have something to hide! There might even be a little "get him for Daddy" going on to. It has nothing to do with a threat to America, if anything is a threat to America, Bush is!



Appeasing dictators and tyrants is not what I am doing, but making the terrorist faction bigger is what this invasion is going to do. I thought this was supposed to be what we were fighting against. Bush had this war in mind before he even went to the UN. If he even had a notion of wanting the UNs approval, he would have went there before massing troops on the border. If we cannot learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it! I didn't volunteer to be the watchdog for the world and Saddam is not worth one American life! It should be the worlds problem and for reasons above our little texan gives them to us. Maybe we should examine who the bully is in this case? Let me see, world power, more ordinace than anytime in the world aimed in one place, against fifth world nation, and a country that had the poop bombed out of it just 12 years ago, along with sanctions against it for that period of time.



I cannot continue this argument further, I am very sorry that you feel the way you do. I would hope that someday, one of the main right would think for themselves. The same goes for the left. You guys keep bringing WW-2 into the conversation, this war will last much, much longer, enjoy. I know how peace makes you sick.



This is it No Mas. I will reserve the right to say I told you so!



Now is the time to shutup about this subject, it does no one any good, just further bickering about things we have no control over. And we have our troops to pray for.

 

[Hohn]

Listen to me, Mr. War Protestor. I have been to the middle East- In fact my time there recently is the only reason I am not there now.



I have studied the Arabic Language and Islamic Culture for four years. I graduated from the US Air Force Academy with a degree in Political Science. I may not have seen what you have, but I have seen things. I know things, but not everything.



Al Jeera is NOT correct. If you are referring to the Arab TV network, it's Al-Jazeera.



As for this girl who died, let's get something straight. Simply standing up for what you believed does NOT make you a hero. Charles Manson stood up for his beliefs. So did Hitler. Stalin... Osama Bin Laden. The idea that anyone who dies for anything is worth respecting for it is absolutely ludicrous.



Respectability is based on the merit of what someone dies for, not just the fact that they died. Would you mourn the loss of a moron who sprinted through a known (to them) minefield, or just remark on that person's foolishness?



It is most likely a waste of time to counter fallacious arguments, but I do it on principle, because i believe that lies must be countered, and that knowledge trumps feeling. I can't sit down and watch wrong or evil go by unchallenged. Thus, my wasted post here.



Let's also dismiss this myth that you can support the troops but not support the President. The fact is, their fates are intertwined. He is Commander in Chief as well as President. It is impossible to wish a leader ill, yet his subordinates well, when they are going about identical tasks. It's intellectually dishonest, and not rational.



Peaceniks get on here and say how the conservative are regurgitating propaganda. Rubbish! Do you not read? British papers are reporting things like "see men shredded, then say you don't back war". This article in the Times of London describes how Saddam would have men thrown into a plastic shredder where they would die horrible deaths.



They say we are war hawks, not peace lovers. Peace based on the tolerance of evildoers is NOT peace at all. How can people allow themselves to be so deceived? Peace is nice, but standing against a man who personifies evil is FAR more important.



Who cares if there's no connection to terrorists? Saddam IS a terrorist, albeit one who lacks the balls (or ability) to attack the US. He prefers to terrorize his own people, and intimidate his neighboring countries (Israel is only one of many others he threatens).



Let's also debunk the myth that this war will make terrorism worse. You want us to believe that people who ALREADY HATE us are going to somehow hate us more after this war? If they had means to attack us, they would already have used it (9/11). Have the peaceniks no logic? Yet, on the other hand, we have many reports of Iraqi dissidents hoping the US moves in, to give them the liberty they need to set up their own government. Many have fled Iraq to the US, and are SUPPORTING the war.



People talk about how we didn't go into Rwanda. Look who was President! Yet, we did go into Bosnia, and into Kosovo, and even lobbed missiles into Iraq! Somehow *THOSE* were honorable activities! The same people who squawk now against the war were saying THE EXACT OPPOSITE just a few years ago. Exhibit A: Daschle. Exhibit B: Levin. Need I continue??? They don't have any credibility-- they are playing politics.



Self-contradictory positions are based on emotion and fear, NOT on evidence and thought. You want to see evidence? So do I!! Show me evidence that this is about oil! Show me evidence that ANY of the accusations against Bush are true!!!



That's right-- there is no evidence.



I'll temporarily finish with a quote from a famous dead guy:



"All that is necessary for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing"

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: If

Originally posted by Champane Flight

She was fighting for something she believed in and died doing it. Even if I didn't agree with her actions, she had strong will and determination. We need more people like this in this world, she will be missed.

The idea is to make others die for their beliefs. Not become road kill yourself. Her beliefs might of been in the right place but her tactics were flawed. It is still very sad to throw a young life away. I am sure she was a very fine and noble person.

 

[Sled Puller]

Right on, Pit Bull, you can't win a war by dieng for your country-you win by making the other guys die for his country, or squashing protesters with bulldozers, that will work also!!!



That was in a movie... .....

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: Re: No sense...

Originally posted by jwdeeming





History makes an airtight case that appeasers are the ones who have their heads in dark places.

Cowards die a thousand deaths but Hero's only once.

 

[sdalton]

Sled Puller. It was Patton. He said something like "Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. The trick is to have the other poor *******s die for their country. " or something like that.

 

[Champane Flight]

China

China has the right idea huh?



The soldier follows orders, the President gives them from a safe place. That is where this President has always been, a safe place!

 

[rkressg]

quote:

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Originally posted by Scot

You have to wonder what was going through her mind.

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Originally posted by Bill Lins

A breeze, mostly.

More like a Clank, Clank, Clank, SqueakOo. Oo. Oo.

At least she did not feel much :-laf

 

[DAB]

Hohn

Very well said... . you really have the ability to say what many of us think.

 

[dpuckett]

Originally posted by DAB

Hohn

Very well said... . you really have the ability to say what many of us think.

Ditto. Well said indeed.



Daniel

 

[Scot]

Here is a link to a picture of our hero the speedbump. That is her rendition of an American flag she is burning.



#ad

 

[Hohn]

What is saddest about this girl dying is that she gave her life for nothing. it saddens me to think that a person can feel such an utter lack of purpose that they feel that have to do something idiotic in order to give their life meaning. People who do these things are motivated by a deep desire to add some sense of nobility or meaning to their lives. This exposes the lie of liberalism- that you should be proud of yourself for thinking or feeling, not for doing. Allow me to explain:



To the liberal mind, what you ACTUALLY accomplish is, at most, only equally important to what you INTENDED to accomplish. You don't have to actually HELP the needy, just think about them once in a while, and TRY to help them. Feeling trumps thought-- emotion trumps action. Remember Clarence Thomas? The fact that there wasn't a single shred of evidence against him didn't matter, he was put through the wringer simply because the ACCUSATIONS were *so* serious! Emotion trumps evidence.



We see this in our schools. Why is there a movement to eliminate scoring from kids' soccer games and such? Because their *feelings* are more important than their accomplishment (winning). This liberal idea teaches kids that it doesn't matter if you succeed or fail, as long as your self-esteem is intact. And again, emotion trumps accomplishment.



This is why we end up with incidents like this tragedy of this girl wasting her life. Our kids grow up learning (in their liberal-controlled gov't schools) that they need to have self esteem, but we never teach them that they can't just all of a sudden feel good about themselves; they have to earn self respect by developing discipline, maturity, strong work ethic, and by WORKING towards success. They are supposed to feel good without having something to be proud of.



This creates a generation of lost kids so devoid of purpose they will stand in front of a bulldozer just to feel like they actually matter somehow.



The reality is, they don't. This girl's body becomes no different than all the other particles that have passed beneath the tracks of that dozer. This angers me, because the most precious thing (human life) is rendered as worthless as dirt--



This, friends, is a fruit of liberalism.



Hohn

(thanks for the compliments. i am humbled)

 

[sdalton]

If that was her burning that flag with such vigor, then, too bad, so sad. I am glad that wasnt me. Stupid death for a stupid cause.

 

[Champane Flight]

Tend

I tend to disagree.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by sdalton

Doing a wheelie on a motorcycle at 100 MPH.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing this... and actually it is quite fun!



BTW, after the front wheel touched down the spedo settled in right at 108

 

[Diesel Freak]

now back on topic





Hohn, I could not agree more!

 

[JSmith]

I would rather have another two years of you know who than one day of a liar(I invented the internet,Love Canal,chads,etc).

I want another 6 years of you know who.