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Human Shields, Or Natural Selection?? What's the difference??
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we have been calling for peace for 12 years with saddam, were did it get us? so now someone with enough "cohones" is doing somthing about it! somthing that should have been done back in desert storm! If you get a big sliver in your hand do you just put a band aid on it for months and months???? NO get a pair of tweezers and put the thing out! saddam is a sliver!. as far as the girl getting bulldozed, I am sorry for the wasted life, but not huge loss thinks I.
Jim
Death
When your dead your dead, it does not matter what flag you have draped over your casket, you are still just as dead. Maybe you will have to hand one to a mother of a dead soldier sometime, the look in their eyes will tell it all. It is like "I once had a living breathing child in my arms, I now have a flag?" It maybe a honorable way to die, but still a waste. Or maybe hold a friends head as they pass and watch the light in their eyes go out, far from home and family. Tell me of the glories of war!
I would hope someday we could all die of old age in our own beds, with our grandchildren by our sides. Now that would be a honorable death, to have your memory honored by the peace you caused, not by the wars you fought. Don't tell me of the necessity of this war, at this time I really don't want to hear it, I have already heard this story over and over again. It will never end, will it? Call me whatever you want, I could give a rats behind what you think of this old man.
To our men and women fighting at this time: Please do not take anything for granted, keep your heads down and come home safe, we will welcome you home, please hurry! We miss you.
To my grand - daughter: Please be careful my little girl, you will always be my little girl, I will see you soon.
When your dead your dead, it does not matter what flag you have draped over your casket, you are still just as dead. Maybe you will have to hand one to a mother of a dead soldier sometime, the look in their eyes will tell it all. It is like "I once had a living breathing child in my arms, I now have a flag?" It maybe a honorable way to die, but still a waste. Or maybe hold a friends head as they pass and watch the light in their eyes go out, far from home and family. Tell me of the glories of war!
I would hope someday we could all die of old age in our own beds, with our grandchildren by our sides. Now that would be a honorable death, to have your memory honored by the peace you caused, not by the wars you fought. Don't tell me of the necessity of this war, at this time I really don't want to hear it, I have already heard this story over and over again. It will never end, will it? Call me whatever you want, I could give a rats behind what you think of this old man.
To our men and women fighting at this time: Please do not take anything for granted, keep your heads down and come home safe, we will welcome you home, please hurry! We miss you.
To my grand - daughter: Please be careful my little girl, you will always be my little girl, I will see you soon.
Am I hurting your feelings?
Am I hurting your feelings by posting? I am not bashing anyone, or posting anything against our dear President. Does the truth hurt that much?
Am I hurting your feelings by posting? I am not bashing anyone, or posting anything against our dear President. Does the truth hurt that much?
Re: If
She certainly wasn't missed by the guy driving the bulldozer... .....
big jake
She certainly wasn't missed by the guy driving the bulldozer... .....
big jake
It might sound cruel, but many people that I have heard talking about it seem to think she lasted longer that she should have. She had been involved in things like this before.
After this, I am all for more of these idiots becoming human shields. I just wish the idiots that went to Iraq, to be human shields, did not CHICKEN OUT.
After this, I am all for more of these idiots becoming human shields. I just wish the idiots that went to Iraq, to be human shields, did not CHICKEN OUT.
If you can't make a good point, just lie
Where was Mr. Clinton during Vietnam? Not by your side he was on vacation in Canada!
I could go on and on but I didn't want to fill this post with double talk everyone has already read.
I am not putting you down CF I value your opinion, I just want you (or someone) to make a somewhat hard case on your side to why this is wrong. Please don't tell me our President failed miserably at diplomacy, the UN passed a resolution with a deadline that said Saddam would meet with force if he didn't comply. Bush already had that resolution but went ahead for another resolution submitted to the UN (in the name of diplomacy) even though the french (who had passed the first resolution) vowed to veto. Mr. Clinton bypassed the UN during Kosavo because he knew Russia would veto. Where was the diplomacy? Why wasn't everyone protesting action then? (with or without the UN). The atrocities in Kosavo were not on as grand of scale as the ones committed by Saddam.
Call it the same old blah blah if you want but it IS fact that he tortures and rapes his people. He DOES pay suicide bombers families. He DID invade another country. He DID light oil fields on fire which effects the world's eco-system. He DOES put civilians in military buildings to be blown apart with no remorse to him whatsoever. He DOES NOT treat prisoners of war humanely. He DID kick out inspector's over the past 12 years and made a mockery of the world (not just who happened to be in office at the time). It IS fact that people who want to do harm to us will if they want, going into Iraq did not bring this about or cause it. What did we do that brought on the twin tower's attack? I can go on but these facts have already been proven.
Protester's are also double talking in other ways. Saying they are for peace when they cause violence at almost every protest. They say they are protecting themselves from us warmonger's and police. More double talk. If that is the case they are hypocrites because they are compelled to fight for themselves if they are personally attacked, but not if it happens to others. Give me a break!
No one will ever "win" at war. We liberate people and they thank us, then they look down there noses at us after all is done because we are "better" than they are. They would look down their noses at us if we didn't help them because we are "better" than they are. We are darned if we do and darned if we don't, but I feel better knowing that thousands(at very least) in several countries are not living under a brutal, crushing tyrant because of us "arrogant" American's.
Where was Mr. Clinton during Vietnam? Not by your side he was on vacation in Canada!
I could go on and on but I didn't want to fill this post with double talk everyone has already read.
I am not putting you down CF I value your opinion, I just want you (or someone) to make a somewhat hard case on your side to why this is wrong. Please don't tell me our President failed miserably at diplomacy, the UN passed a resolution with a deadline that said Saddam would meet with force if he didn't comply. Bush already had that resolution but went ahead for another resolution submitted to the UN (in the name of diplomacy) even though the french (who had passed the first resolution) vowed to veto. Mr. Clinton bypassed the UN during Kosavo because he knew Russia would veto. Where was the diplomacy? Why wasn't everyone protesting action then? (with or without the UN). The atrocities in Kosavo were not on as grand of scale as the ones committed by Saddam.
Call it the same old blah blah if you want but it IS fact that he tortures and rapes his people. He DOES pay suicide bombers families. He DID invade another country. He DID light oil fields on fire which effects the world's eco-system. He DOES put civilians in military buildings to be blown apart with no remorse to him whatsoever. He DOES NOT treat prisoners of war humanely. He DID kick out inspector's over the past 12 years and made a mockery of the world (not just who happened to be in office at the time). It IS fact that people who want to do harm to us will if they want, going into Iraq did not bring this about or cause it. What did we do that brought on the twin tower's attack? I can go on but these facts have already been proven.
Protester's are also double talking in other ways. Saying they are for peace when they cause violence at almost every protest. They say they are protecting themselves from us warmonger's and police. More double talk. If that is the case they are hypocrites because they are compelled to fight for themselves if they are personally attacked, but not if it happens to others. Give me a break!
No one will ever "win" at war. We liberate people and they thank us, then they look down there noses at us after all is done because we are "better" than they are. They would look down their noses at us if we didn't help them because we are "better" than they are. We are darned if we do and darned if we don't, but I feel better knowing that thousands(at very least) in several countries are not living under a brutal, crushing tyrant because of us "arrogant" American's.
CF or anyone one elce for that matter, you cannot hide. Your words or actions will eventually reveal who you are. There is nothing wrong with keeping your head in the sand, but the concequences of that is not fun or smart for long.
Someday we might have to cut the dead so as to make the ship lighter, so we can make it to the other side in a storm. Seems like we are cutting dead weight now, why get in the way?
Someday we might have to cut the dead so as to make the ship lighter, so we can make it to the other side in a storm. Seems like we are cutting dead weight now, why get in the way?
purpose
Let's go further into debunking more myths, shall we?? To say that "when you are dead, you are dead" isn't exactly profound. What matters is not how or when you die, but how you LIVED. Some people live 80 years and have little to show for it, others live a lifetime before they are 40. So the idea that ANY death is a waste is simply untrue. Some people did little when they were alive, and while I wish that it weren't true, the fact is that some people's deaths aren't much of a waste because they were never much to begin with. I also feel that, to be honest, I have to mention that I believe that God created each of us with a purpose, and that living our lives apart from Him is TRULY a "waste". So, I don't see much difference between living with no purpose and dying with no purpose. Others will disagree, but to me, the reason every life has value is because we have PURPOSE. The further we are from that purpose, the less value we have realized. In God's eyes, we all are priceless- would Jesus have died for us if we weren't? Want proof that your life can be significant even if shortened? Jesus died at 33, and changed history, the world, and the very human condition in only three short years of activity! Shoot, our years are numbered relative to Him! (2003 AD)
i *HAVE* handed a flag to a grieving widow or grieving mother on a number of occasions. I HAVE looked into their eyes, and i see something you don't: pride. Peace. There's a certain dignity that's there, and a certain peace that comes from knowing that someone died as part of something larger than themselves- knowing that their loved one's life was NOT a waste. Few people have that assurance at their time of grief, and it is a comfort to them.
As for your last statement, here is the CORRECT way to state it:
"Now that would be an honorable death, to have your memory honored for the peace you caused BY the wars you fought"
Peace is not the opposite of war-- it is the goal of war.
HOHN
Originally posted by Champane Flight
When your dead your dead, it does not matter what flag you have draped over your casket, you are still just as dead. Maybe you will have to hand one to a mother of a dead soldier sometime, the look in their eyes will tell it all. It is like "I once had a living breathing child in my arms, I now have a flag?" It maybe a honorable way to die, but still a waste.....
... Now that would be a honorable death, to have your memory honored by the peace you caused, not by the wars you fought...
Let's go further into debunking more myths, shall we?? To say that "when you are dead, you are dead" isn't exactly profound. What matters is not how or when you die, but how you LIVED. Some people live 80 years and have little to show for it, others live a lifetime before they are 40. So the idea that ANY death is a waste is simply untrue. Some people did little when they were alive, and while I wish that it weren't true, the fact is that some people's deaths aren't much of a waste because they were never much to begin with. I also feel that, to be honest, I have to mention that I believe that God created each of us with a purpose, and that living our lives apart from Him is TRULY a "waste". So, I don't see much difference between living with no purpose and dying with no purpose. Others will disagree, but to me, the reason every life has value is because we have PURPOSE. The further we are from that purpose, the less value we have realized. In God's eyes, we all are priceless- would Jesus have died for us if we weren't? Want proof that your life can be significant even if shortened? Jesus died at 33, and changed history, the world, and the very human condition in only three short years of activity! Shoot, our years are numbered relative to Him! (2003 AD)
i *HAVE* handed a flag to a grieving widow or grieving mother on a number of occasions. I HAVE looked into their eyes, and i see something you don't: pride. Peace. There's a certain dignity that's there, and a certain peace that comes from knowing that someone died as part of something larger than themselves- knowing that their loved one's life was NOT a waste. Few people have that assurance at their time of grief, and it is a comfort to them.
As for your last statement, here is the CORRECT way to state it:
"Now that would be an honorable death, to have your memory honored for the peace you caused BY the wars you fought"
Peace is not the opposite of war-- it is the goal of war.
HOHN
Mega ditto's HOHN. Well said!!!Oo.Hohn, you are trying to explain a higher meaning of life, and why we have life on earth to a man of the world. It is a waste of time.
CF, to sum up what everyone has been trying to say to you: God has put you on this earth to be an extention of his love. You are to enjoy life, and spread the word of Christ. You are to live your life the best way possible, and the most productive way possible. Not to spread hate against your country, and country men, that bore you. Or to spread hate about the one country that would embrace you back, even when you act like a fool. You are not to snuff out your life short, for a stupid cause, such as protecting the home of terrorist, or families of terrorists who profit from innocent peoples deaths.
CF, to sum up what everyone has been trying to say to you: God has put you on this earth to be an extention of his love. You are to enjoy life, and spread the word of Christ. You are to live your life the best way possible, and the most productive way possible. Not to spread hate against your country, and country men, that bore you. Or to spread hate about the one country that would embrace you back, even when you act like a fool. You are not to snuff out your life short, for a stupid cause, such as protecting the home of terrorist, or families of terrorists who profit from innocent peoples deaths.
We will see
Every war out there had the same message. This will be the last war we will have to fight. Yet they continue. Every war is supposed to bring peace, yet here is another. I will be very supprized if we see peace again in our lifetimes. Nice dream though.
Everybodys Gods are on their sides, may the best God win. Too bad it is probably the same God on both sides, just evil men with different ideas.
I would never spread hate against the United States of America. Just the narrow minded who try to tear her down.
Every war out there had the same message. This will be the last war we will have to fight. Yet they continue. Every war is supposed to bring peace, yet here is another. I will be very supprized if we see peace again in our lifetimes. Nice dream though.
Everybodys Gods are on their sides, may the best God win. Too bad it is probably the same God on both sides, just evil men with different ideas.
I would never spread hate against the United States of America. Just the narrow minded who try to tear her down.
I don't think anyone said that this is the last war we will ever have to fight. As long as there are 2 men on earth, they will have different opinions at some point. But after each war hopefully many more people will get to enjoy peace and freedom until the next one, then hopefully many more.
Getting closer
I see us (the people of the world) getting closer to peace in the future. I would hope someday both country's peoples about to be involved in a war would sit down and tell the leaders to "Go ahead, without us!" In this corner we have Saddam WMD Hussein and his boys! And in this corner GW cowboy Bush and his cabinet. Lets get ready to RRRRRRRRRumble!
Instead of who has the most money gets elected, it would be who is in the best shape! Anything would be better than sacrificing our young every decade in the name of peace. Not to mention the dollars and energy expended in a war. With the money we are spending on this war, everyone in the US could have paid health care for the rest of their lives. Not to mention the feeding of the hungry throughout the world.
It is time we had better examine our position in the world and make some tough decisions. Do we really need to be the watchdog for the world? Do we really need to be in the UN? Do we want to be the worlds police force, mercenary, or strong arm? And every time some idiot with a cause strikes out at us (because of our involvement in their country) do we have to strike back, take country's and place puppet governments in place. These get overthrown by religious sects or dictators in a short time and then the process starts all over again! It is a cycle that our government is set on repeating.
Me, I am all for our boys coming home safe and support the troops in any way possible. But it seems our present administration is determined repeat history. I know Saddam and his sons are evil idiots and are killing their own people, I know they may have WMD and would be willing to sell them. So do other throughout the world. If the peoples of the country won't stand up against him, why should we? We will go in their and "liberate Iraq" , I don't think they even know what that means. Look at Afghanistan, they were protesting the US just last week. The country is one bullet away from going back to the Tali ban! Then back we go and kick them out again! On and on.....
I see us (the people of the world) getting closer to peace in the future. I would hope someday both country's peoples about to be involved in a war would sit down and tell the leaders to "Go ahead, without us!" In this corner we have Saddam WMD Hussein and his boys! And in this corner GW cowboy Bush and his cabinet. Lets get ready to RRRRRRRRRumble!
Instead of who has the most money gets elected, it would be who is in the best shape! Anything would be better than sacrificing our young every decade in the name of peace. Not to mention the dollars and energy expended in a war. With the money we are spending on this war, everyone in the US could have paid health care for the rest of their lives. Not to mention the feeding of the hungry throughout the world.
It is time we had better examine our position in the world and make some tough decisions. Do we really need to be the watchdog for the world? Do we really need to be in the UN? Do we want to be the worlds police force, mercenary, or strong arm? And every time some idiot with a cause strikes out at us (because of our involvement in their country) do we have to strike back, take country's and place puppet governments in place. These get overthrown by religious sects or dictators in a short time and then the process starts all over again! It is a cycle that our government is set on repeating.
Me, I am all for our boys coming home safe and support the troops in any way possible. But it seems our present administration is determined repeat history. I know Saddam and his sons are evil idiots and are killing their own people, I know they may have WMD and would be willing to sell them. So do other throughout the world. If the peoples of the country won't stand up against him, why should we? We will go in their and "liberate Iraq" , I don't think they even know what that means. Look at Afghanistan, they were protesting the US just last week. The country is one bullet away from going back to the Tali ban! Then back we go and kick them out again! On and on.....
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