i can have a hybrid, but not a diesel $%#@&!!!

[DKarvwnaris]

i believe the previous gen VW tdi had the vp44 pump... [the new ones have EUI's in them]

I believe they have changed from the VP 44 pump to the common rail design pumps now. I forget the pump model off hand.

The VP44 pump is not the real weak link, its the poorly positioned electric lift pump that fails and causes the VP44 to try maintain operating output pressure with no inlet pressure from the lift lift pump. THe solution is to put the lift pump next to the fuel source, not by the engine as they have done in the first few years of 24 valve units.

I'll always prefer a mechanical pump to the electronic setups of the last few years, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the electronic setups. They are just as reliable when properly gauged and monitored. (why Diaper Chrysler has not put a fuel pressure gauge inline and connected it to either the ECM or just a visual in dash instrument, I don't know).

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Are they running a vp44? I don't know the answer, just trying to learn...

There has been a list circulated here in the past, showing about 6-8 european makes using the VP series pumps, Saab, etc.



If the VP setups in Europe, where there is a FAR higher percentage of diesel powered vehicles than here, has had unusual failure issues, it sure hasn't been reported in any of our threads...



(EDIT)



Here's a few other users of the VP pumps, besides the VW mentioned further above:



BMW 320d,

Ford Focus td,

all Opel dti,

Saab,

VAG V6 tdi

 

[tractorface]

Honda accord Diesel

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=99



http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/the_north_east/autobytes/h/hondaaccord_1.html



This is the answer. If these ever hit the shores I'll be all over one. I just purchased a 4cyl. LX (gasser) and it is by far the most refined vehicle I have ever owned. Honda knows what they are doing folks.

 

[Dieselnut59]

Yep, that Honda diesel seems interesting... and its Honda's first diesel EVER! The article I read said it was comparable in acceleration and performance to the v-6 gasser, but gets better fuel economy than the 4 popper gasser. Time to bring that thing here instead of the overpriced/underpowered hybrid crap! My lady friend has a Honda Accord 2-door v-6 5-speed. She really likes it and it seems to be a good car (for her-I hate front wheel drive). She is wanting a new one (hers is 2001 with 78,000 miles). I suggested she wait till the diesel one comes, as I sure hope it will when ULSD comes here. She likes diesel, partly thanks to all my "toys" and will definately consider it if it comes here. The good part to this is the engine has been out a while world-wide, so when it does become available in USA, it will have the bugs worked out and should be flawless.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"The article I read said it was comparable in acceleration and performance to the v-6 gasser, but gets better fuel economy than the 4 popper gasser. Time to bring that thing here instead of the overpriced/underpowered hybrid crap!"



Yeah - the Ford Escape hybrid gets a BEST MPG of 33 - that Honda diesel gets *50+ MPG* - well worth paying a few cents more for diesel fuel, when you get better performance AND much better economy in the bargain!

 

[nickleinonen]

I believe they have changed from the VP 44 pump to the common rail design pumps now. I forget the pump model off hand.

i don't think it is a common rail, i remember reading that it is a EUI [electronic unit injector] setup now, but i need to find it in writing...

"Unlike today’s common-rail diesels, which use a single injection pump, the new VW “unit injector” (Pumpe Duse) system incorporates the injector and pump into a single unit, providing a pump for each cylinder"

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[Donn]

There are companies that thrive on checking subterrainean tanks for sediment and pollutant content. The major supplier for the county of 17,000 that I live in pumps almost 30,000 gallons of diesel per week and when last checked had almost 12 inches of sludge in tanks that were 18months old. It didn't magically appear. I Imagine that fuel quality in the U. S. is substandard based on that information.



On the other hand, i'm not paying $3-$5 a gallon when I can throw on a filter every 12,000 and not worry about it.





On the original topic, One of the GM hybrids I recall looking at during it's developement reportedly had almost 300ft. lbs. available at launch from the electric motor. It makes sense considering the logic behind a diesel electric locomotive.



What I can't stand is these idiots here in rural Ky that buy hybrids. Where are you gonna get it serviced when it craps out?



I don't, however, see a problem with the toxic batteries, seeing as how our industrialized nation has been running on electric toyota fork lifts for how many years now?? It shouldn't be a problem by now.

I'll bet you are all ready paying $3. Lets just hope that $5 isn't just around the corner