I need immediate opinions here

[CSnyder]

Last fall I listed an engine for sale out of an 01 truck I wrecked and a non TDR member from Kentucky bought it from me. I ran the engine after the wreck and it was still running excellent and the buyer took pocession of it less than 30 days after I pulled. He bought the engine in November and waited until the 2nd week of January to call me and tell me it has a knock and that he pulled it out and had it taken apart at a machine shop and they said it is junk. When he bought the engine I had already taken the head off it and checked the pistons and cylinder bores and everything looked good. I had already sold the oil pan off it and had put the damaged one with a hole in it back on the motor and I recommended to him to replace the bearings before he installed the motor since the pan has a hole in it. Im unsure if he did replace them or what he all did to the motor before he installed it or if he even put the head back on right. I sold him the motor with no warranty but guaranteed it ran for 1200. 00 complete but unassembled. After he contacted me about giving him his money back the 2nd week of January I spoke with a few well known diesel shops for their opinion on what I should do and they all told me that since he already had the engine tore apart after it was supposedly junk that I should refuse to refund since he did that and especially since I sold it as is no warranty. They told me that you dont know how he worked on it or who did or how he abused it after installing it so dont refund anything. I would have in all fair game refunded if he brought me back the engine exactly how it left here but he just wanted his money back. Now he calls me today calling names and telling me how he wants to report me to TDR as a scammer etc etc. I like to keep all my deals on the up and up but this guy is a real jerk. How do I know that he didnt just take his junk engine parts and slap them into my block and try to tell me its junk when I sold it with no warranty and not to mention I suggested he rebuild the lower end since it was exposed. I looked at each cylinder bore as well as he did when he came after the engine and everything looked good including the pistons, but after he installed it it became junk and the pistons are scored and burnt he says.



What would you guys do?

thanks and God Bless, Chris Snyder

 

[jwilliams3]

Chris,

It sounds like a bad deal for both of you.



As bad as it sounds, I would not refund his money.

 

[SRadke]

Anybody with experience rebuilding an engine would have checked the parts before they put the engine together. If there was a problem with any of those parts bad enough to cause a knock and make the whole engine "junk", it should have been found before reassembly. As you tell the story you are not at fault here. Had you put the head back on perhaps but if you sold him a crate of parts, it's his baby. My $. 02



-Scott

 

[PToombs]

Chris, I would tell him to stuff it! You told him what it needed, he saw what condition it was in, and you told him there was no warranty. The engine he says is junk is probably his old one, and he's trying to put one over on you. If he had called sooner and was more reasonable acting I would say give him the benefit of the doubt. I work on alot of engines and I have not seen any bearings bad enough to score the cylinders ( except when the rod goes thru it). Do what you gotta do, and don't feel bad about it. My . 04!

 

[Dieselnut59]

I agree. I have a 5. 9 in several pieces from a job i did for a customer on his spotter truck a while back. I am gonna have to overhaul this engine because it has siezed rings on #3 cylinder. I will also replace the bearings (of course) and I, too have the oil pan off because the pickup tube and pan were different between the engines. If you sold it to him in pieces and it was obvious it was not siezed, the least he could have done is overhaul it. The ball was in his court and you did your part by being honest and having it apart where he could see it. He $crewed himself by not checking it out and repairing as necessary first!

 

[Kissfan113]

i am with everyone else here chris, tell him to stuff is, especially since you inspected it before shipping for some of the problems he claims for it to have. You sold as is, that will even hold up in court if need be.

Kevin

 

[benhall]

Chris, I agree with all of the above. He took the risk and didn't heed the warning.



Ben

 

[JoshPeters]

Chris, after all you've seen us do on here... . How do you score and burn a piston like he's talking without puting it together wrong. Or. . he got it going... and played peg the needles... . pyro included.



He's the one that's the scammer.



Tell him to take a long walk off a short pier. Tell him to "report you to the TDR" we're all behind you and will laugh at him.



Josh

 

[BigPapa]

Chris,



You've got my vote.



Why did he need a motor? Unless it was one of those flukes we all hear about, he'd already messed up one engine and should have jumped at the chance to rebuild the bottom end of yours while it was out.



From what you've said you did exactly what I would have done. Tell him "Sorry" and sleep well.



Scott

 

[Sojourner]

Chris, it doesn't sound like you misrepresented anything.



Buying an engine out of a wrecked truck is a crapshoot, unless one knows the history of the truck (as in knowing the owner) and extent of damage from the collusion. Under the circumstances (the fact that the head was off and the oil pan had a hole in it) the buyer should have know to at least do a full tear down, replacing the bearings for sure along with a whole new gasket set. Apparently buyer was a numbskull and now wants you to pay for his very poor judgment. I suggest you don't give him any money back, i. e. unless the spirit moves you to do so.

 

[HeavyHauler]

Chris, you are a better man that I am for even considering to refund his money. You sold the motor "as is" with no warranty and now the guy wants his money back? Sounds pretty fishy to me - I wouldn't give him the time of day.

 

[mgoncalves]

This guy inspected it with the head off, and felt like it was worth $1200 with no warranty right? Then it's his problem.



Tell him your sorry it didn't work out for him, but that's why there was no warranty. It sure sounds like he's trying to scam you.





Matt

 

[B.G. Smith]

Yep, same here. If he had brought it back like it was,then that's a different story. bg

 

[CSnyder]

Thanks guys for making me feel better about this! I really wish I had this posted in a forum he could read since he is one of the many free loaders to this site that wants all the info for free. He is from Bowling Green, KY and if anyone wants his name or number for future reference please IM me for it. I knew that I hadnt done anything wrong here with this deal but it just bothered me since I am a business owner and hate to have any deal go south. I even bought a lawn tractor last month from John Deere that was supposed to run great but found out now it needs a new engine because the block is junk and I dont have any plans of asking the dealer for my money back because he gave me a good deal on it just like I gave that guy a good deal. That engine he bought ran GREAT when I pulled it and I only took the head off because someone else had said they were going to take the short block but backed out for financial reasons. I should have just kept it around because it is a 56 block and I run a 53 block with 210,000 on it. I know when I need a block it will cost me way more than 1200. 00 bare. On a side note we turned the engine over and inspected each cylinder before he paid me and left so Im confident it was a mistake on his end that made that engine junk.



Thanks and God bless, Chris Snyder

 

[fox]

Don't loose any sleep over it. No warantee means no money back.



A lesson here for everyone, always mark the used engine in some way so if it comes back, you can ID it. I always do and have had one come back as a deal like what you have. It was NOT the same one I sold.

 

[bmoeller]

Chris, I agree with everyone here. It his problem now.



As far as your "new" lawn mower, don't hesitate to talk to the dealer about the motor. A friend of mine had something similar happen to him on a Deere 111 mower. Used, and was told it ran great. Had it a month and the engine took a dump. Dealer installed a brand new engine, no questions asked. No charge.

 

[Holysmokes]

Hey SCAMMER, I mean Chris... . LOL J/K, you said "NO WARRANTY" that means "buyer beware". Plain and simple. Where was the engine for 2 MONTHS? At the shop? One could do ALOT of damage in that amount of time. Sounds to me like he shopped for a cheap deal on an engine and a cheaper deal on a shop. No worries man!

 

[RCenters]

Well can i say my part ????? I talked to chris over the phone a few times and made sure it ran and he said yes it ran , i said would u put it in a truck , he said yes . So the deal was set i drove 13 hrs rented a room and meet chris , he feed us and we went to look at the engine , im no expert here but it looked fine i could go over it with a comb and meazure ring gap or bore i was taking his word , we loaded up and head back , yes the engine set cause the mechanic was putting me on the back burner , So i said shoot this has to get put in so I my uncle and dad pulled out the old and installd this one , after a few rounds with VP it fired up , and my uncle looked at me and he said rev it up so i did and it didnt sound good . I said shoot whats wrong well they said could b a piston or rod , so i talked to some others they said the pistons one said sounds like the oil squirter is gone , so i had no choice to pull it out , i took it to a machine shop (TNT 1-270-432-3123 ask for tony i just picked it up today) 1 and 6 pistons were scored bad but he honed out the block and he said its in specs... when i took it over there last month he look at it and said probaly have to b bored , i was down cause my original block has to b bored cause of bad injectors killing it anyways luckly honing cleand it up... But im not usen the block iv done got mine bored and new pistons on the way so ill ether rering it bearing and such or part it out ,,,,, All i wanted after talking to chris was half my money 600$ ... And yes i called him a scammer cause i was told it ran and i could drop it in and go ,But there was no go and yes i told him i was calling TDR but i never did what good is it , after he hung up on me and wouldnt talk to me i figured its done no need of crying over spilt milk , and i didnt slander him on the boards ether i done it the way you should talk it out but it didnt work out ...

 

[rubberneck]

Quick question. It was stated in an earlier post that the pan had a hole in it. I assume this was impact damage from the accident. Did you check the pickup tube and make sure it was not damaged and was attached properly? Did you inspect the oil pump? It was stated that both of you looked at the cylinders and they looked good at the time of the sale. The fact that 2 cylinders were scored in such a short time and you had a knock sounds like an oil starvation problem to me. These things should have been checked before installation. The head was off the truck as well as a hole in the pan, you could have gotten a piece of foreign material in the motor that either plugged an oil passage or a piston cooler as you mentioned. If the truck was not run other than you stated, i suspect a plugged piston cooler would not have caused any damage, however, running hard without a piston cooler could do that. You knew the circumstances upon which the motor was removed. It sucks when plans dont work out, but on the same hand you bought a motor half disassembled. I would consider that buying parts, not a "running motor" Hope you get things worked out. Just playing devils advocate here.

 

[RCenters]

i didnt read all his post , i was told he sold the pan to a freind cause his had a hole in it from rock crawling there was no pick up tube ether , once again looking at the engine i said so it ran he said yes . . So i take his word with a grain of salt or a hand shake as i did ?????? Im not tearing down a engine and going all through it if i wanted to then i wouldnt have bought it , im already doing that to one no need to have 2 apart and spend twice the money ,like i said and he said its ready to go