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If you have not noticed as you open the TDR site, there is an item on the idler pulley. I am very pleased that we have an option on this part. I have now replaced three idler assemblys.



If you have or are getting near 200k miles, I would reccomend that you take a look at the idler. The condition of the outer plastic wheel will indicate general condition. One of my idlers failed because of wear on the arm mount. The belt was running slightly off center and had ruined the belt twice before I picked up on the problem. And the belt isn't cheap.



Two of the assemblys could have been used with just the new pulley. Of the three that I replaced, one was bought on the road and was quite high. If you need a replacement for the entire assembly, go to Cummins for a much better deal. We buy at dealer cost and I don't know what user retail is but I am betting that it is less than Dodge. The Cummins part number for all my trucks is 3935819. There may be a difference if the engine doesn't have air. I don't know. Cummins uses the engine serial number and build date for all reference. Be sure you have that when you contact any Cummins parts person.



I seriously doubt that the idler will run to 300k so heads up if your mileage is getting high. If you plan to keep your truck, and the assembly looks good, it would be wise to order the pulley and have it on hand.



I also remember a post regarding the tensioner spring getting weak. The idler is a definite source of problem so look into this.



I have no connection with the folks offering this part.



1stgen4evr

James
 
Yeah, this past November my pulley bearings $#!t the bed, leaving me stranded 65 miles from home. Luckily my dad was willing to come rescue me, and the next day we were able to get a AAA tow. I'll have to see if I can find the rather insulting pics of my pride and joy being hauled home on the back of an OLD Ford F750 (or something) flatbed. The only saving grace was that the thing had a small CAT in it, and not a Powerjoke :rolleyes: :) Anyway, my odo. was right around 285,000 miles. I think this was the first one for the engine, though. Not too bad in my opinion. I forget the cost, but the new pulley came from the local Freightliner dealer.
 
My belt system is very quiet... what exactly is an idler? Is it the belt tensioner?



Does anyone here have belt squeek when they shut off there truck? I don't, and I've heard it's a common problem.
 
I replaced the fan hub bearing in a friends 92 at about 210k but I've not heard of a problem with the idler. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.



-Scott
 
Yes. . idler, tensioner, same thing.

No belt squeak out of mine... truck or boat... . but I have heard some trucks that do that.

Jay
 
Idler/tensioner

Sorry guys. I used the term interchangably. There are idler pulleys and tensioners that have pulleys. Our trucks have only one such pulley and it is on the tensioner. Some automotive setups have an idler in the system to get the belt around a problem spot.



I haven't check the machinerys hand book but I suspect that 'pulley' is a driver while idler is the same thing without being a power source.



Skobylenski notes 285k miles. I think that is near the upper limit of service. To avoid trouble, check much sooner.



And I didn't really like the ride on a flat bed either. Note that I let this happen the third time. (only once on the road). Yep, slow learner and needed reinforcement. Same with sex.



1stgen4evr

James
 
I just looked at mine, and the belt is lined up fine on all the wheels... but hanging off the tensioner by 1/4"...



Does that mean it's going out?



Should I replace just the wheel or the whole unit?
 
There has been a replacement part for quite some time offered by Practical Solutions. I bought mine almost three years ago so I know they have been around at least that long. They have a website but I can't find it right now. The nice thing about the PS pulley, IMHO, is that it is not made of plastic. I'm pretty sure the bearings are replaceable too.
 
Yet another

I am still amazed at the collective knowledge of the TDR group. Even after experiencing such as this.



In the three years that a pulley has been available I have bought and paid top dollar for the assembly. I would add that the idlers on all the power units have a metal pulley. I guess the plastic is for a tad of lightness on the trucks. The metal pulleys run 10k hours on some of the power units I know about so definitely no problem with useing them.



1stgen4evr

James
 
hang over

Yes. I would look very closely and I suspect that it is out of alignment due to some problem in the body of the tensioner. Most of the other pulleys have grooves and will guide the belt in place. If the belt is over the edge on the tensioner, I would expect a problem. On mine that got out of alignment, the belt was rubbing on the tensioner arm and eating the edge of the belt. Get where you can see the aignment of the belt in regard to the other pulley positions. If the belts is skewed at the tensioner, you got a problem. I will PM with more.



1stgen4evr

James
 
Re: hang over

Originally posted by 1stgen4evr

Yes. I would look very closely and I suspect that it is out of alignment due to some problem in the body of the tensioner. Most of the other pulleys have grooves and will guide the belt in place. If the belt is over the edge on the tensioner, I would expect a problem. On mine that got out of alignment, the belt was rubbing on the tensioner arm and eating the edge of the belt. Get where you can see the aignment of the belt in regard to the other pulley positions. If the belts is skewed at the tensioner, you got a problem. I will PM with more.



1stgen4evr

James



Same experience with mine at around 120K miles. Belt started sqweeking and was most noticeable at idle. I could see the belt rubbing on idler arm. I pried arm toward the radiator with the engine running and the belt centered and stopped sqweeking. Bought new idler assembly, was easy to change, and . . . problem solved. :)
 
Hey Chris,

mine did the same thing, the little plastic bushings or spacers were worn out, which caused the arm to turn slightly and misalign the idler pulley enough to drive the belt to the outside. It was like that when I bought the truck and the belt was chewed up. Every parts store I called either didn't have it or wanted over $200 for the whole assembly!:mad: I don't usually call Napa but I did on that occasion and seems like it was about $40 there, so I bought one and it has been working great!

Proto
 
CB- sometimes, the engine shuts off quick enough to make the belt squeak from the sudden halt of the fuel delivery. If your truck shuts of NOW when you turn the key off I wouldnt wory too much about it. Now for your hangover- I can thelp you; I never get them :D.



Daniel
 
Originally posted by CB_Parker

:D I never get belt squeek! Hangovers are pretty rare too!

So are sorority girls around here... . :( :D

Chris, there arent any pledges living in your dorm? I'd say time to find a new school, then. ;) :D
 
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