if balance beads work then wouldn't the same weight antifreeze?

[2broke2smoke]

we just bought an '85 bronco for a back up / trail vehicle ...



georgia vehicle ... never driven in the salt



more rust on the top than bottom, and not much there



it came with a 6" lift, 4. 56's, detroits front and rear ... etc



i mounted a set of procomp x-terrains ... 37x13. 50s



mounted them myself so they've got no wheel weights ...



smooth at 55 ... start to shake a little at 60 mph



a freind owns the local bp and recommended trying balance beads ...



this is a low buck backup vehicle ... 2k for the truck (and 1k for the tires )



so i asked why not just use the same weight in fluid ... antifreeze?



wadda ya think boys?

 

[FordCummins]

I think you should try using golf balls. It works well on the bigger tires.

 

[Bertram65]

Use BBs, I would guess maybe 10-12oz per tire.

 

[2broke2smoke]

good ideas guys, thanks

 

[2broke2smoke]

fwiw you can put #8 shot in through the valve stem pretty easy using a powder funnel from wally world ...

 

[Pavemen]

golf balls are too big and do not distribute the weight very evenly.

bb's can rust and disintegrate and cause wear on the inside of the tires and wheels.

Powders can absorb the moisture in the air you fill with and can clump and stick. Until the break up and unstick themselves (if they do if you have excessive moisture) they can make things worse.

i prefer to use DynaBeads from Innovative Balancing. I've been running 10oz in each of my 37" Creepy Crawlers on heavy double beadlocks. Work great up to the 80mph I've run them. Since they are tiny ceramic beads, they are not effected by moisture and do not clump or rust away. I've put 10,000 miles on mine and they are working great. Each tire/wheel combo wieghs in at 140 pounds and no wobbles at all.

 

[BILLVO]

Never Put Anything Solid Inside A Tire

Putting anything inside a tire than is solid rolls or bounces around inside is absolutely the best way in the world to destroy tires And KILL PEOPLE. unless it never goes past 20 mph for very short distances. It creates a lot of heat that will not be detected on the outside and enough heat will create a very dangerous bomb that has and will kill many more unsuspecting people. The only approved thing to put inside a tire is a liquid called tire life any tire shop that does bigger tires should have it.

 

[Bertram65]

Putting anything inside a tire than is solid rolls or bounces around inside is absolutely the best way in the world to destroy tires And KILL PEOPLE. unless it never goes past 20 mph for very short distances. It creates a lot of heat that will not be detected on the outside and enough heat will create a very dangerous bomb that has and will kill many more unsuspecting people. The only approved thing to put inside a tire is a liquid called tire life any tire shop that does bigger tires should have it.

Really, what do you base this on? Once the tire reaches a certain speed the media moves to the low points and stay there, it is not constantly in motion. What about the companies like Innovative balancing who have been selling thier Dyna beads for years and all the OTR trucks that use them?

 

[BILLVO]

Really, what do you base this on? Once the tire reaches a certain speed the media moves to the low points and stay there, it is not constantly in motion. What about the companies like Innovative balancing who have been selling thier Dyna beads for years and all the OTR trucks that use them?

I am not familiar with these products but if the media is small enough and is ceramic which disipates heat It may work if it truely doesn't move. But I know of no tire co "Dealer/store may" that would warranty a tire that failed knowing it was inside of it. In my line of work "mining" at around $20k-100K+ apiece for 1 tire you go to lots of tire training to manage and care for these. Michelin and Bridgestone have lots of info on this subject. Tire safety training will rear it Big head in the near future. Other than the loose nuts behind the steering wheel they are the most dangerous things on the road all due to lack of knowledge about them.





Golf balls and BB's inside tires that would happen to fail would be the same as a roadside bomb in Iraq that is killing people. Would you like your loved ones to be beside a tire like that while passing on the road?:{

 

[Bertram65]

I am not familiar with these products but if the media is small enough and is ceramic which disipates heat It may work if it truely doesn't move. But I know of no tire co "Dealer/store may" that would warranty a tire that failed knowing it was inside of it. In my line of work "mining" at around $20k-100K+ apiece for 1 tire you go to lots of tire training to manage and care for these. Michelin and Bridgestone have lots of info on this subject. Tire safety training will rear it Big head in the near future. Other than the loose nuts behind the steering wheel they are the most dangerous things on the road all due to lack of knowledge about them.





Golf balls and BB's inside tires that would happen to fail would be the same as a roadside bomb in Iraq that is killing people. Would you like your loved ones to be beside a tire like that while passing on the road?:{

I disagree with you on the BBs or golf balls, once the tire is up to speed the media whatever it is moves to the light spots, balances the tire and stops moving. There is far more friction and heat generated from the tire being in contact with the road and sidewall flex than anything that could be generated from less than a pound of media.

 

[2broke2smoke]

Putting anything inside a tire than is solid rolls or bounces around inside is absolutely the best way in the world to destroy tires And KILL PEOPLE

:-laf



that's funny ... balance beads have been around since the early 90's that i'm aware of ...



i wore out a set of 42 inch super swampers then inside, then removed what i could and put them in a set of 38's ...



same beads 30k miles ... didn't kill anyone



you're telling me that 10 oz of beads will destroy the inside of a tire when the 1500lbs external weight on the tire running down gravel roads won't ...



don't let the secret out ...



www.innovativebalancing.com would be out of business ...



maybe you do have a point ... when my 80 lb tire explodes it'll be the 10 oz of bird shot that will be dangerous

 

[Pavemen]

I occasionally help out Robert, the owner of Innovative Balancing, with off-road tire and wheel related info and tech. I asked him if he has anything from the mfg's about the appliability of internal media and his response was this (quoted with his permission):

I contacted the U. S. Department of Transportation’s Vehicle Safety Hotline Information Center and was sent a site from which to look up any warnings or cautions from the NHTSA, and was told to look up balancing media, tire balancing or balancing beads, which we did.
There were no statements or listings by any government agency having to do with vehicle safety that had anything at all to say about tire balancing methods, regardless of the type. So it's a case, at least from the governments perspective, that no "negatives" are to be taken as "positive".
From previous contacts with GoodYear, Michelin, and Bridgestone/Firestone, they all said the same thing, and that was that although they don't specifically endorse the use of internal balancing media over other types of balancing methods, they do not disprove of it's use for balancing in any of their tires either.

 

[pwr2tow]

So if the imbalance of a tire calls for 3oz of weight and you put 12 oz of whatever in the tire. What happens to the rest of the media that's not used to balance the tire?? Spread out evenly and balance or roll around and create heat?

My theory,
Spread out and balance as long as you stay a constant speed or don't hit a bump. Good luck.

Roll around and create heat is more what I'am leaning to.

 

[Pavemen]

they will spread out evenly. even if you hit a bump there is not a huge change in the balance. i've run mine all over and have zero complaints and have another set of beads ready to go in my next set of tires.

oh, and while i help out Robert with some tech help I am not an employee or otherwise compensated for my advice. I PAY for my DynaBeads. Just in case anyone was going to bring that up.

 

[JGK]

I contacted the U. S. Department of Transportation’s Vehicle Safety Hotline Information Center and was sent a site from which to look up any warnings or cautions from the NHTSA, and was told to look up balancing media, tire balancing or balancing beads, which we did. <br />

There were no statements or listings by any government agency having to do with vehicle safety that had anything at all to say about tire balancing methods, regardless of the type. So it's a case, at least from the governments perspective, that no "negatives" are to be taken as "positive". <br />

From previous contacts with GoodYear, Michelin, and Bridgestone/Firestone, they all said the same thing, and that was that although they don't specifically endorse the use of internal balancing media over other types of balancing methods, they do not disprove of it's use for balancing in any of their tires either.

Regarding the responses from Goodyear and the others, while they said they do not disprove of its use, if you read the warranty of the tires, they usually say the warranty is void if any balancing media is used inside the tire. I checked several last fall when shopping for tires. So use the beads at your own risk relative to tire warranty.



However, I defend their use. I used Innovative's beads for 30K miles on my Toyo M55s and I'm using them on my Bridgestone Revos now and love them. They work great. When the old M55's were removed, there was no indication of wear or other adverse affects of 4 oz. of the beads inside the tire. They were all loose and dry.



And if I were to have something come off or out of a tire at speed, I'd prefer a few ounces of tiny ceramic beads then, say, an ounce or two of lead weight flung off a rim!



-Jay

 

[2broke2smoke]

well girls ...

232 miles later and everythings fine ...



shimmy doesn't start now untill 65 mph ...



which is 2500 rpms ...



which is where i wanted to be in the first place ...

 

[Pavemen]

Regarding the responses from Goodyear and the others, while they said they do not disprove of its use, if you read the warranty of the tires, they usually say the warranty is void if any balancing media is used inside the tire. I checked several last fall when shopping for tires. So use the beads at your own risk relative to tire warranty.

Actually, the Goodyear Warranty (from: http://www.goodyeartires.com/about/diversity/limited_warranty.pdf ) states:

Goodyear does not warrant or give credit in any adjustment
transaction for any kind of material added to a tire (e. g. , tire fillers,
sealants, balancing substances) after the tire leaves a factory
producing Goodyear tires, nor will it adjust any tire that has
failed as a result of adding such material.

So as long as the internal media did not cause the failure, then the warranty is not voided simply due to having used such a media. This is what I expected and also related to the Magnussen-Moss Act.

 

[Cattletrkr]

I had Equal balancing powder in my Mich 19. 5's for 105K. The inside of the tires looked the same as the inside of the new tires.

I've had 17. 5" trailer tires explode going down the freeway, sending pieces everywhere. There were never balanced but I would think the powder would just be a puff of smoke and it would be gone. I'd worry more about lead weights becoming bullets.

Is the Equal powder the same as balancing beads? It's a really fine powder that after 105K was simply scooped and put into the new tires. No clumping at all.

 

[Pavemen]

the balancing beads are tiny ceramic balls. look at this pic for sizing

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[Cattletrkr]

That's definently not the same as Equal then. The Equal is dusty and smooth.