If I Were President George W. Bush's Speech Writer

[Forrest]

Good evening my fellow Americans.



First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New York and all Americans that are hurting in this tragic time. You can rest assured that anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of our country will be done. This is the greatest country in the world and we will get through this trying time. Now is the time for all people to set aside our petty differences and show the world that no one or nothing can destroy the fortitude of the American people.



To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say this:

Are you kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone too long without a bath? Do you not know who you are dealing with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at each other every day. We will relish that opportunity for new targets for our aggression.



Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people that started jerking around with us? Remember Japan? We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million of them in their own back yard. That's what we in America call a big *** barbecue. Ever seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted it that way, Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them packing.



Ask your buddy Saddam about screwing with the good 'ole USA. The only reason he got away the first time is because it's too hard to shoot someone when you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from taking over his crappy little country.



Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go ahead and try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a mountain high enough that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps and any place that looks and even smells like he was there. Heck, we might even drop a few bombs on people that have pissed us off in the past. This is America. We kick ***. This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh now, but the Tomahawks are coming and we will smoke your sorry asses.



God bless America!

 

[Batman]

Forrest

IMHO, you may want to consider not holding back on your next post, and let us know how you really feel

 

[jthorpe]

If you were the Presidents' speech writer, I would be very scared indeed. The racism sure is showing these days. By the way. We had a person post that in a company email here where I work. She was gone less than an hour later. Thank God.



PS - It appears the writer conviently left out the part about the little yellow *******s in black jammies who sent *us* packing after 10 years and 54,000 dead American boys.



Common sense is not the norm these days.

 

[jthorpe]

I have a great sense of humor. However, I don't appreciate the BS racism that has been going on here as of late, as much of it has not been a joke. Also keep in mind that "many a truth is said in jest. "



I can take a joke like the next guy, but this is in very poor taste IMO.

 

[JTBMC]

Soon to Bomb who!

 

[jthorpe]

Cute. Excellent arguments on the point by the way boys. I can see the wit meter is going off the scale here.

 

[Power Wagon]

I don't think you know what racism really is.



This isn't racist. It may be rude, crude, undiplomatic and certainly not refined. But it's not racist.



Racism is pre-judging someone by thier race, and this not doing that. It's addressing someone on an insultingly familiar level.



For instance... "towels wrapped too tight?" isn't about race... it's no more racist than some other insults I've heard about someone having thier tie too tight, hat too tight, and so on.



It's overall insulting... and they deserve it.

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by Power Wagon

I don't think you know what racism really is.

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. I think that sounds pretty simple, don't you?



Example that proves my point:



"Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our lawns. "



Now show this to a Mexican and tell me what they think. Like I said earlier. We already had someone get fired for passing this garbage around the workplace so I would say that most people would agree with my point of view on this one. On this site, probably not.

This isn't racist. It may be rude, crude, undiplomatic and certainly not refined. But it's not racist.

See above

Racism is pre-judging someone by thier race, and this not doing that. It's addressing someone on an insultingly familiar level.

Wrong, racism is the following:



The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others, like I said above



or



Discrimination or prejudice based on race.



It doesn't say anything about "judging" someone.

 

[Big MAK]

I'll have to agree with jthorpe that some of that post is racist (gasp) although I don't believe the poster intended it to be; so I think taking offense at it is as offensive as the post itself. Kind of reminds me of how all the 'black' folks can go around saying "it's a black thing" but my job would be in jeopardy if I ever said "it's a white thing". You must work for a liberal media outlet jthorpe; if they would fire someone over the contents of that post. Especially if it's a first offense. Do you also believe displaying the flag indicates taking sides on whether we should go to war?

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by Mark Kitchell

I'll have to agree with jthorpe that some of that post is racist (gasp) although I don't believe the poster intended it to be; so I think taking offense at it is as offensive as the post itself.

That's kind of odd, but I guess whatever floats your boat.

Kind of reminds me of how all the 'black' folks can go around saying "it's a black thing" but my job would be in jeopardy if I ever said "it's a white thing".

I agree with you that I think that's crap, but it's a horrible analogy to use for this situation. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

You must work for a liberal media outlet jthorpe; if they would fire someone over the contents of that post.

I neither work for the media, or a liberal company. My company is about as conservative as it gets. I am also conservative. I find it unusual that you think my company, or I am a liberal. Any Christian or conservative that supports nonsense like this is an embarrassment to the Republican Party. This sounds like something that Jesse Helms would write.

Especially if it's a first offense.

I don't care if it's the first or 10th. It doesn't make it any less annoying and obnoxious. Not to mention, just plain stupid.

Do you also believe displaying the flag indicates taking sides on whether we should go to war?

Even though your question is completely irrelevent and you seem to be having a hard time keeping on topic with this, I'll answer anyway. Absolutely not. Just because you display the flag, it doesn't mean you support going to war. I however, think we need to eliminate the problem and I support 100% the President of this country.



I would never assume that someone supports the war just by flying the flag. I would assume that they support and love their country, and that they wish our Soldiers well by showing that flag.



Jack

 

[Power Wagon]

Originally posted by jthorpe





The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. I think that sounds pretty simple, don't you?



Example that proves my point:



"Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our lawns. "



Now show this to a Mexican and tell me what they think. Like I said earlier. We already had someone get fired for passing this garbage around the workplace so I would say that most people would agree with my point of view on this one. On this site, probably not.

Gee... The British decided to rip us anew in the war of 1812.



But instead of them taking us out, we sent them sailing back across the ocean to thier little island to lick thier wounds...



I guess that's racist too?



Your statement bears no resemblance to your example. I would agree that using race as a tool to judge another (prejudice, look up the meaning already... ) is the definition of racism. Making historical statements about a country and then demonstrating the future consequences of that country's actions by it's present state is ALSO NOT RACIST. It may not be in good taste, BUT IT IS NOT RACIST. Mexican is a nationality, NOT A RACE. Mexico is a country, NOT A RACE. To poke a little fun at a country is NOT RACIST... Insulting, rude, or whatever, but it's NOT RACIST.



And yes, they did try to attack us, and we prevailed. Instead of us losing and cutting thier lawns, it's the other way around. Sure, it's not nice. It's not PC... but it's not racist.



I suspect the problem here is that there's far too many people who are so terrified of offending someone that they immediately go into "defensive" mode and fling around the worst words (racist, authoritarian, nazi, etc, etc, etc) because they are so conditioned by contemporary liberalism to pigeonhole everyone as being in some "group" or another.



Frankly, the guy that lives in the lot behind me ain't mexican. He's american. He has brown skin and an accent. His kids behave in ways that annoy the living daylights out of me at times... but he's not anything other than American. If the truth be told, he's probably not very kind in his judgement of the conditions in Mexico... which is why he's here and not there. If my opinion of the state of affairs in Mexico isn't good, it's because they aren't. Not because I've pre-judged them over thier skin color, or whatever it is that's supposed make them a different race. I coudln't care less.



If our opinion of the military results of the Mexican army's success at the Alamo is that it was a joke... That's not racist. It's military. sheesh. some people need a life.

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by Power Wagon





Gee... The British decided to rip us anew in the war of 1812.



But instead of them taking us out, we sent them sailing back across the ocean to thier little island to lick thier wounds...



I guess that's racist too?

You have this funny habit of bringing up stuff that is completely irrelevent to the issue at hand. Who cares about the war of 1812 at this point? Again, it has nothing to do with this.



Vietnam sent us packing during that war, after 54,000 of our own had been killed. Is that racist? Absolutely not. It's a war.

Your statement bears no resemblance to your example. I would agree that using race as a tool to judge another (prejudice, look up the meaning already... ) is the definition of racism.

Good.

Making historical statements about a country and then demonstrating the future consequences of that country's actions by it's present state is ALSO NOT RACIST.

This sounds like an argument made from a simpleton. I hate to tell you, but the last thing I would call that is a "historical" statement. I say simpleton because you can't seem to understand the underlying meaning of that "historical" statement.

It may not be in good taste, BUT IT IS NOT RACIST. Mexican is a nationality, NOT A RACE. Mexico is a country, NOT A RACE. To poke a little fun at a country is NOT RACIST... Insulting, rude, or whatever, but it's NOT RACIST.

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one. It is definatlely not in good taste. I would call it out and out stupid, making the person who wrote it look not only like a simpleton, but an uneducated boob. Furthermore, anyone who thinks that it is appropriate is just as bad if not worse. Of course, this is only an opinion.



Again, I encourage you to go up to a Mexican and tell them that. Tell me if he doesn't plant your face into the pavement. My example of using the statement that Mexicans are now mowing our lawns is right dead on.



Here is the definition for you in case you missed it the first time:



"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others"



You're telling me that the Mexican statement in that paragraph isn't being used as a metaphor about Mexicans being inferior? Unless you have no ability to comprehend, you're darn right that's what it's used for. Therefore, I stand hard and strong by my original statement, and example.



The context of that statement is NOT meant to be only "historical", unless of course you're blind.

And yes, they did try to attack us, and we prevailed. Instead of us losing and cutting thier lawns, it's the other way around. Sure, it's not nice. It's not PC... but it's not racist.

See above.

I suspect the problem here is that there's far too many people who are so terrified of offending someone that they immediately go into "defensive" mode and fling around the worst words (racist, authoritarian, nazi, etc, etc, etc) because they are so conditioned by contemporary liberalism to pigeonhole everyone as being in some "group" or another.

You didn't read my posts. The last thing I'm worried about is being politically correct. I find this being a matter of respect vs. political correctness.

Frankly, the guy that lives in the lot behind me ain't mexican. He's american. He has brown skin and an accent. His kids behave in ways that annoy the living daylights out of me at times... but he's not anything other than American. If the truth be told, he's probably not very kind in his judgement of the conditions in Mexico... which is why he's here and not there. If my opinion of the state of affairs in Mexico isn't good, it's because they aren't. Not because I've pre-judged them over thier skin color, or whatever it is that's supposed make them a different race. I coudln't care less.

What does this have to do with the "speech" and this thread? Nothing. I'm glad you consider him an American, that's wonderful, but again, who cares?

If our opinion of the military results of the Mexican army's success at the Alamo is that it was a joke... That's not racist. It's military. sheesh. some people need a life.

Ok, you lost me on that one. Try again?

 

[Doc Tinker]

Boy am I glad I didn't read this thread.



Doc

 

[Power Wagon]

Originally posted by jthorpe







This sounds like an argument made from a simpleton. I hate to tell you, but the last thing I would call that is a "historical" statement. I say simpleton because you can't seem to understand the underlying meaning of that "historical" statement.

I've been called worse by finer people, i'm sure

"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others"



You're telling me that the Mexican statement in that paragraph isn't being used as a metaphor about Mexicans being inferior? Unless you have no ability to comprehend, you're darn right that's what it's used for. Therefore, I stand hard and strong by my original statement, and example.

No, it's not.



You see, what you've done, is make a moral judgement about the intentions of the author. Not the words, not the meaning of his words, but your presumption or pre-judgement (look that one up) of his intentions.



I'm actually surprised it took this long for you to finally say what you really thought. See, what is going on, is that you have to make a judgement about his character and his intention to make his words into a racial slight.



That fits the definition of prejudice. That's the very thing you're claiming to be against. Yes, the author COULD be prejudiced. Maybe he is a racist - and takes his racial prejudice out against a nation. Maybe not. The fact is, you have absolutely NO means of knowing. None.

The context of that statement is NOT meant to be only "historical", unless of course you're blind.

Are you saying I am unable to see the "hidden meaning behind his words" that you do?



I refuse to. It's going to take far more than a "possible hidden meaning" for me to make that kind of judgement about the character of someone else. But such is now common. It's on TV, it's argued in courts, it's preached by activists everywhere, that everytime someone's words can be twisted or misdefined to make this kind of slur, then that's what they mean and that's what we should think about the person who says it.



I don't buy it. I refuse to buy it.

 

[GSchlegel]

Just my $. 02



Are both you guys lawyers???????



jthorpe, I do think you are too interested in PC. I know I've left myself open for a flaming message, but as a simpleton, I tend to look at things in black and white; good vs. evil; right vs. wrong. I do not now nor have I ever believed in doing what is "politically correct".



Gene

 

[rich m]

sounded quite "Denis Leary" to me...

and, BTW, the multiparagraphical (free country, I can make up a word, so long as I don't do the liberal thing of re-defining a pre-existing word... . go ahead. Tell me I can't, while you dodge the 1st Amendment) jab was against those with whom we are at war. In case you had never noticed... ...



brace yerself... ... .



here it comes... ...



a big truth that you never heard from Bill Clinton... ...



(that was redundant-- sorry! )



..... WAR IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, AND THE "ENEMY" IS TO BE HATED, RIDICULED, ANNOYED, AND DEFEATED!!!



now, put the not-really-a-speech into the proper context, set yer "holier than thou" attitude aside, and if that terminated employee decides to sue for wrongful dismissal, under the First Amendment, and the definition of "RACISM", (not nationalism, ethnism, humorism, or political enmity, which are usually not named as a terminable offense) you'd do well to either stay out of the way, or defend her. This sounds like a case where the ACLU could partially redeem themselves from some of the boneheadisms they've committed in the past.



BTW, before you assume me to be a middleaged Caucasian male, and therefore author and beneficiary of any and all sociological evils from the beginning of history, I'm part German, Irish, British, Scottish, American Indian, Jewish (nationality of that grandmother not known to me), and married to a "Pacific Islander" who's also part English, and American Indian.



So pass the damn peace pipe, and unless the guy in the turban is someone who you'd invite to the backyard barbecue, don't give it to him... . If he is, pass it his way, too.



There. That's how you can evaluate your own internal insecurities.

Would you let the guy drink from your Orange Soda bottle without wiping it off? If not, you better figure out why, for yourself, before sticking the "racist" button on someone else's lapel... . rm..... I like everybody, until they prove that I shouldn't.



What's a stranger? A friend you haven't met yet.

What's an enemy? The guy who wants you dead.