In Line fuel filter - Good Idea?

[BKneeland]

Have a 2004. 5 4x4 2500 SWB QuadCab with 120,512 miles (published miles for the OEM fuel transfer pump 80,000 - 120,000mi) and just ordered from Geno's a replacement fuel transfer pump FPD_4089602 fits 03-04. 4 and bolts right up to at the fuel filter housing.



Could not afford FASS with filters.



OEM fuel filter on my truck I have seen is 7 micron (FASS is 3? micron).

My question is has anyone inserted a plain old in line replaceable fuel filter some where between the fuel tank and the transfer pump-my thinking is:

1. it would be great to install a 5-6-7-8? micron in-line replaceable filter

2. go with a filter that would not cause OEM pump problems (to much restriction)

3. maybe changing the metal or cartridge in-filter would be a problem "fuel pressure in the line" would need to relieve pressure first and be quick to remove and install the new one.

4. anyone make a better in-line fuel filter (less than 7 micron) which can be added some where along the frame which does not cause an OEM pump pressure problem for this trucks?



Anyone done this or have any suggestions... ... .....

Thanks

 

[SSheldon]

I just installled the replacement pump from Geno's on my 03 and it came with an inline filter that installs with the new pump and fueline. Not sure what micron the filter is but it made since to me to stop the junk from the tank before it gets to the pump.

 

[pullya]

Look at what Glacier Diesel has to offer ref: in line fuel filters. I just ordered one for my truck-should be here today. Maybe not as fancy as Fass but alot cheaper IMO and I think it will do a good job. Give them a call--nice folks that will take time to explain their products to you and answer your questions.

Jay

 

[BKneeland]

Did not realize that the replacement fuel transfer pump for my 04. 5 I order from Geno's came with a filter. I did not see that item described in the catalog or in the picture-nevertheless that great.
I will contact Glacier Diesel and ask them what micron filtration their in-line filter is... ... ... ... .
Thanks for the INFO.

 

[AWise]

Good systems from GDP, might also consider the inline pump upgrade. I haven't got around to doing this yet, but this is what I am going to do.



Glacier Diesel Power - Product List

 

[Regcabguy]

Baldwin makes a 5 micron drop-in replacement for the stock canister. Part # PF7977. This should help some without straining the pump. Glacier has other options also.

 

[TCDiesel]

I just installled the replacement pump from Geno's on my 03 and it came with an inline filter that installs with the new pump and fueline. Not sure what micron the filter is but it made since to me to stop the junk from the tank before it gets to the pump.

Do Not install the inline filter that comes with the factory PUMP, if your Place of residents Has mandatory Bio-Diesel, in the cold Months the that small filter will plug with the Bio and cause a NO start. Buy 3/8 fuel line hose and reuse the factory quick connect.

 

[CStringer]

heres a question that goes along with the op... would a system like THIS work well on our trucks? I would like something that goes BEFORE my stock filter on the 6. 7, mainly because its such a pain in the #@$%! to change... .

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would that setup work well with a stock truck?

 

[DBentley]

heres a question that goes along with the op... would a system like THIS work well on our trucks? I would like something that goes BEFORE my stock filter on the 6. 7, mainly because its such a pain in the #@$%! to change... .

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would that setup work well with a stock truck?

I thinking of building the same setup with wix 10 micron water seperator #24348 1st with drain then a wix 2 micron 33528 next on the frame rails.
Looks cheap enough about 75. 00 for bases and filters.
Will this strain the in tank pump?
Will this wax and freeze up with treated dino in the coldest months?

 

[CStringer]

i guess what i was asking is the same as you dbentley... will it strain the intank pump?

i would assume not because chrysler is putting this on the new trucks (2010) via tsb. hmmm anyone know? sag2? anyone? lol

 

[TCDiesel]

Install 3 or 4 of these in the D-max . The D-max filter is free air mounted and In MN with 5% mandatory Bio they have plugged. This heated Fuel line has solved the problem Arctic Fox Hotline Electric In-Line Diesel Fuel Heater they are spendy.

 

[Wiredawg]

CStringer,

The fuel filter/water-fuel separator in your post looks like the FASS setup w/out the pump. I've run a FASS 150 on my '02 3500 and am installing one on my wife's '03. I had great results w/ my '02. Not sure how much the restriction of the setup is, but probably not a lot. The filter is 10 Micron.



I'm really concerned about water in fuel in my '09, but don't want to install FASS until warranty expires. I purchased a Griffin in line fuel filter/water separator w/ 2 Micron filter. This setup claims 99. 98% rate of catching water from fuel. I'll be installing it in the next couple of weeks.



Finally, we need all the protection we can from contaminants in fuel, but also helps to buy at reputable, high volume diesel stations.



Good luck on figuring out a combination that works for you.



Wiredawg

 

[DBentley]

Install 3 or 4 of these in the D-max . The D-max filter is free air mounted and In MN with 5% mandatory Bio they have plugged. This heated Fuel line has solved the problem Arctic Fox Hotline Electric In-Line Diesel Fuel Heater they are spendy.

Thanks for the advice T west
Its cold here in ma so in thinking about a bypass around the 2 chassis mounted filters with a ball valve to have the option on the coldest days to flip the lever and get the truck running on the stock 5 micron baldwin for the coldest days.
It would be better to have the filteration for 11 1/2 months out of the year than not.

 

[TCDiesel]

That's a good way also, What I don't understand why are owners removing the stock canister, the line from the bottom to the Cp3 is the only restriction and can be easily replace with 2 fittings an 1' of 3/8 hose, Bio-Diesel will be available in most states by 2011, Our Dual factory Mounted Pumps with the bypass filter returning to the tank has served many owners well, The system is completely safe for year round operation and will filter the fuel many times better than the in line filtering that seems so internet popular, We have measured the return filter is 30GPH back to the tank, if the return filter gets bio/contaminate plugged, the factory setup will work until the fuel is warm enough to clear if the filter is gelled. If Water or solid matter plugged a simple pressure gauge will indicate changing. If running the Truck for 1 hour you will have filter 60 gallons of fuel at least 2 times. Not counting the factory filter that returns at 10/15 GPH depending on demand.

 

[CStringer]

CStringer,

The fuel filter/water-fuel separator in your post looks like the FASS setup w/out the pump. I've run a FASS 150 on my '02 3500 and am installing one on my wife's '03. I had great results w/ my '02. Not sure how much the restriction of the setup is, but probably not a lot. The filter is 10 Micron.



I'm really concerned about water in fuel in my '09, but don't want to install FASS until warranty expires. I purchased a Griffin in line fuel filter/water separator w/ 2 Micron filter. This setup claims 99. 98% rate of catching water from fuel. I'll be installing it in the next couple of weeks.



Finally, we need all the protection we can from contaminants in fuel, but also helps to buy at reputable, high volume diesel stations.



Good luck on figuring out a combination that works for you.



Wiredawg

yes that is what i thought as well... that this setup is the same as FASS w/o the pump. The cheapest if found the FASS system was 450 (on sale, i believe sale is over now) I can get this setup for 200, or possibly make it myself even cheaper. I do not need a FASS. My truck is stock and I have no intentions of any chips/boxes. I use it for work, and I need the truck to be reliable... it runs 5-6 days a week.



The reason Im looking at adding the filtering is due to the TSB (severe fuel filtrations) chrysler issued and wants $750 to purchase.



It appears the stock setup on our 6. 7's are not adequate and I want extra protection, along with ease of filter change.



So back to the original question, is our stock lift pump (which is in tank) strong enough to push through, say, a 2 micron filter?

 

[cojhl2]

Install 3 or 4 of these in the D-max . The D-max filter is free air mounted and In MN with 5% mandatory Bio they have plugged. This heated Fuel line has solved the problem Arctic Fox Hotline Electric In-Line Diesel Fuel Heater they are spendy.

Does not a proper addition of Power Service solve the solidifying problem?

 

[TCDiesel]

Does not a proper addition of Power Service solve the solidifying problem?

When it comes to Bio-Diesel, When I spoke to the Chemist, At Flint Hills refineries Last Summer To Quote "there is NO know additive that will add in lowering the cloud point of Bio-Diesel that is NOT already added to Make MN Bio-Diesel good to -15 Pumped, in fact DO NOT ADD ANY ADDTIVE TO MN BIO-FUEL AT THIS TIME”. Many States don't require the high standards that MN has so who knows what being dropped or purchased through the broker. it’s a huge problem in America, demand results and drop sheets to clarify what in the Retailers Tanks.

 

[BKneeland]

Bkneeland - Good information.

I read a while back that federal?/state? regulations for gas/diesel stations that pump diesel only require or provide 500 micro filter(s) from the underground tanks to the pump... ... ... ... . this week I will call a local subcontractor in the Oklahoma City area that in stalls underground tanks and fuel pumps and ask them.

More later ON THIS LATER.

If its true the diesel we pump into our Dodges is NOT WELL FILTERED - AND IF ONE FILLS UP WHILE THE TANKER IS PUMPING INTO THE UG TANKS - that is more of a concern... ... .

 

[AH64ID]

Take a look at the link in my sig to see what I have done to have the ultimate fuel filtration on my 05...

That being said I wouldn't be putting any additional filters between the pump/tank with the engine mounted pump. The fact that you got 120K out of yours is remarkable. . Personally I would be getting the in-tank conversion, a much more proven pump.

Just adding a Baldwin PF7977 to the OE canister will give you 5um filtration.

 

[TCDiesel]

Let's look at the in tank Pump Closer.



1. The pump Tank module and engine mounted tank both give NO warning of immediate failure.



2. The In tank pump is next's to impossible to replace anywhere outside of a shop with a lift. (sure it can be Done in some parking lot with jacks, but the level of danger is just not worth it, Not considering the weather)

The Engine mounted Pump can be replaced on the side of the road in less than 30 minutes.

3. The in tank will require a tow.

4. It's very hard to carry the module as a spare, The engine mounted can be put under, behind seat, just about anywhere in the cab.

5. Tools for the engine mounted are common and get be left in the door pockets, 2 special tools are required to remove the module.

6. Cost the module $289. 00, Engine mounted Pump $180. 00

7. In tank Pumps last about 6/8 Years and 160/190k miles, We replace 100s of in tank pumps in all makes and models. The engine mount Pump last from 60/120K we seen them go as long as 180k. My 03 went 106k.

8. If you install the T&C Dual Mount Bracket (1. 5hrs install) and the In cab switch you have the option of running 1or2 Pumps simultaneously . If one Pump fails you just replace it at your convince, You will NEVER be stranded again. The in tank pump when its fails it is almost impossible to pull through it. Leaving you stranded (You knows where).



9. The in tank generally last longer, But NO Thanks to the rest of the story.