Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) In-tank replacement lift pump available

[claykelly]

Looks like Dodge has released the OEM upgrade for the engine mounted lift pump to the in tank pump like the 3rd gens now have superseded to. I spoke to my local Dodge dealer today and he said the parts are in the system, the wiring harness is at the depots, but there's 92 fuel pump modules not yet released and should be in a week or so. There wasn't a kit number that he was able to come up with, just several separate components.

The main ones being:

Fuel Pump Module 5179873AA

Wiring Harness 5175409AA



There was also a seal, hose union, some screws, etc. but those were all low dollar and available.



Looked like the total price to be about $350. 00 all said and done, parts only.



He didn't have any information on the necessity of a reflash at this time. I ordered my parts and hopefully they'll be here soon. I've spent much more than this on the multiple Carter lift pumps + 1 injection pump that I've installed. Maybe, just maybe, Dodge will get it right this time At least this is an acknowledgement of the ongoing problems.

 

[SnoKing]

Well I have one more year on my 5 year engine warranty, wonder if this will be the warranty solution? Mine (knock on wood) is still pumping good. SNOKING

 

[claykelly]

Currently it isn't a superseded part from the engine mounted one, but I (and the dealer) have a feeling that it will be once the Carter pumps are exhausted.

 

[claykelly]

Some good info for folks needing LP's... . Bump

 

[JKinney]

I had a 1999 1500 gasser 318 that left me stranded on the side of the road three times untill I traded it with 33,000 miles on it for the truck I have now.

The dealer installed three pumps in the fuel tank.



So Is this really a good thing?l

 

[rweis]

I keep thinking "lowest bidder" and DC engineering. Great combination Oo.



Bob Weis

 

[claykelly]

Not sure if it's the best, but considering the number of cars/trucks on the road that use in tank pumps, and the percentage of failures of those compared to what the failure rate of the engine mounted electric pump is, I'd say it's a pretty good upgrade for the money.

I've had at least 10 gas burner cars/trucks with in tanks pumps, never had to replace one, maybe lucky, but whatever. As a general rule, most people I talk to haven't had problems either, however talk to almost ANY 2nd gen Cummins owner, and guess what, lift pump failure. I've been through 3 Carter pumps, 1 holley, and 1 injection pump in under 50k miles. I fitth wheel a fair amount and when finding any Cummins owner in the campground, guess what, failure, failure, failure. I currently use a Stanadyne boost pump in combination with the OEM pump, works okay, but it will fail eventually, plus trying finding parts for a Stanadyne pump, or FASS, or whatever when you're 2000 miles from home. There's always a Dodge dealer somewhere nearby.



Regardless, I'll be upgrading to the in tank. I think it's the best thing to be offered thus far for the problem at hand. Just my . 02 worth.

 

[SnoKing]

Everyone has complained the DC was not addressing the issue. Now that it appears that they may be addressing it, and we have no history regarding this "improvement", people are already lining up to complain about it! Geez! Get a life! SNOKING

 

[gtwitch]

intank pump????

Why would anyone want to install an intank pump ??? I don't want to try and replace one by the side of the road when it fails. At least I can put a repair rotor and vane kit in a Holly Blue pusher mounted on the frame at the side of the road if my FP starts down.

gtwitch in Wyoming

 

[Fishin Guide]

I can't comment on how good the pump would be that DC would possibly provide. But, after looking at a 3rd gen pump that Rip had on his workbench, I don't think it would be all that great for some of us.



The inlet/ outlet are very small. And after talking to Rip, even mildly BOMBed trucks would require a bigger pump/ lines to keep up. And the physical size of the pump is tiny. He made the comment that a replacement pump for a passenger car was almost twice the size, had bigger inlet/ outlets and clearly flowed more. This was for a little 4 banger I think!



So, it may be the best thing since sliced bread for stock trucks, or close to stock. But, I don't think we are gonna see the Fass, RASP, other pump setups go away anytime soon.



Just my thoughts.



Dave

 

[claykelly]

I think comparing a 4 cylinder EFI pump that delivers much higher pressure (40-90psi) to a low pressure (10-20psi) transfer pump is apples and oranges. In reality it doesn't take much of a pump to deliver the kind of fuel the VP needs, it just has to hold up and not fail like the OEM Carter pumps do. This really isn't about pressure, but about flow, we're only using pressure as an indicator of flow in this situation. Even some of the smallest in tank pumps are more than capable of delivering 20-40gph. I don't think anyone except MAYBE the hard core pullers really need a pump that delivers two or three times that amount. If so, then we're not talking about problems with OEM equipment anyway, we're talking about very high performance needs. You don't see anyone bashing GM or DC about the in tank fuel delivery in race Corvettes or Vipers, it's obvious they'll need upgraded, and so will your diesel if you're planning that kind of activity. I don't see anyone complaining about the OEM head gaskets, turbo size, or lack of methanol injection either, get over it!

The problem lies with the OEM design not being reliable, not about it being inadequate for super modified engines, it's that simple. There are tons of stockers and modified trucks out there with lift pump failures that are in need of an OEM supported upgrade. One that does not void warranty, and one that parts and support are readily available for. In my opinion, the in-tank pump that offers the liquid cooled motor, away from engine heat, a pusher design, and economical OEM supported replacement, is the key. I'm tired of carrying spare parts along to do roadside repairs. I've never once had to patch together the fuel system of any the EFI cars/trucks I've owned, they've all been in tank pumps. I'll take my chances on the in tank pump any day over the reliabilty of the engine mounted pump thank you. Once again, just my . 02 worth.

 

[gtwitch]

in tank pumps

It has been my experience with 1 GM Astro van, 1 GM Pickup, 2 Dodge Passenger Vehicles and 3 Ford Passenger Vehicles (Taraus) and 2 Ford Pickups, all gas rigs, In the average of 4K miles /month of driving over the last 9 years, I have had 2 GM in tank pumps fail , 3 Ford in tank pumps fail and 1 Dodge in tank pump fail, all under 46k miles. Am I above average or what, just unlucky!!

None of these were changable by the side of the road and 5 of the six were with a nearly full fuel tank and fortunate for me that I had AAA towing, 4 were warranty and 2 were not to the tune of over $500 each. So on my DC pickup when the first lift pump failed, I am now prepared to fix it anywhere/anytime and Thank You--- No, on another in tank pump.

 

[DieselMinded]

Why dont they just do a Recall and install them for free?



DM

 

[DavidC]

Why dont they just do a Recall and install them for free?



DM

Chrysler and free? I do not think there is such a word in the German language. Besides they are probably afraid to peek over the wall because they may get hit with another 53 block, a balljoint, a trackbar or some other object I did not mention.



Dave

 

[claykelly]

Am I above average or what, just unlucky!!

... ... Thank You--- No, on another in tank pump.

Maybe just unlucky, not sure, but I wouldn't recommend being outside in a lightning storm... . lol



And that's fine, I'm sure it's not for everyone, I figure it can't be any worse than what's OEM now. I've never seen such a p***-poor design and there's no excuse as to not issuing a recall on this years ago. I thought it was silly when I first heard about all the problems people had, then mine went, then the injection pump, then another LP, then another.

Hopefully the dependability will be much better than what you've experienced, and more similar to mine. Possibly the higher lubricity of the diesel fuel over gasoline will help too.

I just think it's a very good that DC is finally doing at least SOMETHING about it to hopefully increase the dependability of a mostly out of warranty, little supported, generation of trucks. At least it's an effort, futile maybe, but an effort.

 

[AJ]

Hm in tank fuel pump... The number one reason for intank pumps to fail is

supposedly running below 1/2 full(cooling) and our engines introduces enough heat to the return as it is



AJ

 

[keimmmo]

I have relocated my factory LP to just in front of the tank. I had only one failure in 100k miles. I am happy with the dependability and it is easy to change along the side of the road if needed. I AM NOT interested in an "upgrade"!



Steve

 

[nps]

I just think it's a very good that DC is finally doing at least SOMETHING about it to hopefully increase the dependability of a mostly out of warranty, little supported, generation of trucks. At least it's an effort, futile maybe, but an effort.

Before you give DC too much credit remember that there are still ALOT of trucks in warranty that have the LP outside of the tank.



Personally I think it is great they are working on this, and if they give me one in warranty I'll take it. But if I end up fixing it, then a carter pusher is going on the frame rail - whether the failed LP is on the engine or in the tank when it goes.