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According to Pickuptrucks.com:



"Today’s one-ton Ram Heavy Duty 3500 has a gross combined weight rating of 24,500 pounds, though that number will be bumped to 25,400 pounds when a new Max Tow Package option becomes available, according to Chrysler. "



I wonder what else we have to look forward to, I sure hope to see a GVWR jump as well !!! :)
 
I saw that to and was like What the heck. I just got my truck two weeks ago from ordering just after Thanksgiving. I would have liked any 'max towing/hauling' packages I could have gotten besides doing the 4. 10 gears and getting a dually. We'll see what they change or do maybe it can be duplicated. I'm curious about just going up only 900 pounds. Why not go all the way to 26,000 if your going to have a max tow package.
 
There is no standard at this point for determining GCWR. I am confident the Dodge product will out preform the other 2 at their GCWR, which is above where Dodge rates it.
 
There is no standard at this point for determining GCWR. I am confident the Dodge product will out preform the other 2 at their GCWR, which is above where Dodge rates it.

Yep, me too! All it takes to know that is one trip on the interstate highway system of America. I never travel without seeing several dirty and well used Dodge Ram duallies towing heavy tandem gooseneck flatbeds loaded with oilfield equipment or general cargo or three car slant trailers loaded with cars. It is very rare to see a Furd or GM doing that. Apparently hotshot haulers don't have time to read the sweet bs printed in the glossy pages of paid advertising magazines.

I am looking forward to seeing the published GCWRs when the three light truck manufacturer's begin following the new SAE towing performance standards we've read about. I don't know if those standards will be mandated by federal law or will be voluntary. I assume they will be mandatory.
 
I am looking forward to seeing the published GCWRs when the three light truck manufacturer's begin following the new SAE towing performance standards we've read about. I don't know if those standards will be mandated by federal law or will be voluntary. I assume they will be mandatory.



It will be really good. I don't want to sound 100% biased, thou I am, but I really expect the Dodge numbers to go way up after reading what the SAE will test.



As it is the Dodge has plenty of published capacity for a 3500, the Ford and GM are just silly. Really, IMHO, if you need to be over 26K you need a bigger truck and some CDL training.
 
Ford increases theres by putting in a higher numericly set of gears. Like 433,456 488 5-- and its the same truck. Dodge has the gears but there for the CC commercial use. I under stand they are not avalable for the 3500's. I could be wrong, I have been once. :-laf
 
The body builders' guide currently shows a 24,500 GCWR for the 3500 dually with 68RFE and 4. 10 gears. When the 2011 trucks came out, the body builders' guide showed 26,000 GCWR for this combination - I have a printed copy of the 26,000 GCWR before it was changed.



Don't know what's up with that.



Rusty
 
Ford increases theres by putting in a higher numericly set of gears. Like 433,456 488 5-- and its the same truck. Dodge has the gears but there for the CC commercial use. I under stand they are not avalable for the 3500's. I could be wrong, I have been once. :-laf

You're correct.

Differential gear choices in 3500s are limited to 3. 42, 3. 73, and 4. 10:1.

Unless the offerings have changed for '10-'11 and we're both wrong.
A 4. 33 choice for a higher GCWR would work fine with the double overdrive gearing of the six speed automatics. My truck, with 4. 10 gears, is speed limited to 106 mph by the ECM. My old '01 with 3. 54 gears would run 112 mph. 95 or 100 mph would be plenty if the 4. 33 gear was offered.

Unless the offerings have changed for '10-'11 and we're both wrong.
 
The body builders' guide currently shows a 24,500 GCWR for the 3500 dually with 68RFE and 4. 10 gears. When the 2011 trucks came out, the body builders' guide showed 26,000 GCWR for this combination - I have a printed copy of the 26,000 GCWR before it was changed.

Don't know what's up with that.

Rusty

That sounds like a decision by a suit leading to a brochure change, not a hardware or software change in the trucks.

I'd bet there is not a nickel's worth of difference between the '07. 5 and the '11 that actually effects GCWR.
 
I suspect Dodge may be starting to figure out that they're probably losing sales to GM/Ford due to the inadequate GCWR weight rating of the Ram in comparison to the competition. This is a tough market right now and they need to be considering all aspects of what a prospective truck buyer needs. I'm not going to pay $50 grand or so for a truck that is not rated by it's manufacturer to do what I need it to... ... ... Why should I shoulder the risk of a mechanical failure that the manufacturer may deny warranty coverage for because I was over their imposed weight limit ? They need to step up to the plate and stand behind their buyers,,,,in writing,,,,by increasing the max GCWR. I've owned a Ram CTD since 1995 and I'm well aware of what the truck is capable of... I also believe the manufacturer weight limit (GCWR) is too restrictive,,,,,,,,,it needs to be increased. It's no secret that these trucks are routinely operated greatly over the GCWR everyday of the year on highways all over the country. I regularly observe hotshot operators pulling trailers that unloaded (big and long, heavy duty goosenecks) probably have the truck close to or over the GCWR. I also regularly see 3/4 ton Rams headed west in the summertime pulling 35' to 40' toyhaulers and fifthwheels (not counting the contents of what may be in them) that put them over GCWR and in all probability well over the GAWR and GVW ratings. Heck, I saw 2 Rams double-towing west towards Colorado last summer pulling 35 and 38 foot multiple slide fifthwheels with 18 foot bassboats going up 287. They were both 2500 4x4's and one of 'em had what was at least a toolbox in the bed (may have been an aux fuel tank). No doubt in my mind they were over all the weight ratings ! I think it's safe to say we all know the trucks will do it, why won't Dodge rate them that way ? I understand the axle and GVW weight ratings but the GCWR I think is more an issue of them (Ram) not wanting to upgrade their transmissions or pay for failures for the few of us that intend to use their trucks at or over the limits of their trucks weight ratings.



It's safe to say that there is probably a direct correlation of increasing failures that results in increased warranty costs for the trucks operated at weights nearing or over the rated GCWR's. If the manufacturer thinks they're money ahead by not engineering the trucks to reliably accomodate those higher weights without losing money fixing broken trucks under warranty, what is the likelyhood of them spending the money for upgraded designs/parts ? In other words, the manufacturer has an acceptable loss rate... ... The cost of the warranty repairs is less than the cost of simply building all the trucks with the upgraded parts that would more reliably withstand the heavier duty cycle. We all benefit (new truck buyers) with increases in the manufacturer weight ratings. Most of the major components on our trucks have been "overengineered" in comparison to the "intended" use of the truck and we as buyers have benefited by that design philosophy. I would like to see that relationship and design/manufacturing philosophy continue, because it results in a more reliable and long lived product. Competition is good because it requires a competitive response in order to survive. I'm biased towards the Ram CTD but in my opinion,,,,,they need to upgrade their product... ... ... . I welcome any increases in the weight limits of our trucks, particularly GCWR, but only to 25,400 ??
 
AHolbert,

I agree with your post. I'd like to see Dodge increase their ratings also.

I don't think there is anything major or expensive that needs to be reengineered or beefed up to handle a GCWR of 28,000 lbs. for 3500 dually cab and chassis trucks and 30,000 lbs. for Ram 4500/5500s. Perhaps the dually pickup is also good for 28k, I don't know about the AS68RFE.

There may be a limiting factor like the automatic transmissions or rear differential assembly that we don't know about.

Maybe AAM axles, or Aisin and MOPAR six speed automatics are only engineered for 26k. I don't know.

Nobody that pulls in excess of GCWRs is reporting problems. TulsaOkie (pickup) and EB (cab and chassis) tow heavy every day with '07. 5 3500 duallies. Okie has more than 350k on his and only replaced the automatic a few months ago. EB is approaching that mileage and his Aisin is holding up fine.

We all know though, that if Ram announces a 28,000 lb. or 30,000 lb. GCWR some are going to be pulling 40k.
 
The Aisin's and the 68rfe's seem to be great transmissions, I do think sales would be better with higher weight ratings. I can't see being my "own warranty station" after spending $50 grand or so on a new truck. I've talked to several that feel the same way and a friend of mine bought a Duramax,,,,,pretty impressive performance but I still want another Ram... .....



I'm not saying I think I'm going to have a failure, but when a person is spending that much money (particularly in this economy) why should the manufacturer have a potential "out" as far as denying a warranty claim ? I know I'll continue to hold out till the limits encompass what I need the truck to do, I will not tow over the GCWR and I also will not wait forever ! And yup,,,,,there's always going to be people that are really haulin' heavy !
 
I guess the bean counters do their risk loss blah blah, but its just not overloading that the manufacturers will bail on their warranties. Ford for example was voiding warranty due to aftermarket filters, particularly fuel filters, I was fortunate running a wix filter that I had no failure on my ford, but I was warned to get it out of the truck, in fact they the dealer was less concerned with my removal of the dpf then the fuel filter. I have experienced GM trying to deny my warranty on an allison because we had taken the truck to Allison and had the Allison brand synthetic put in, finally got to talk alittle sense to someone and it became a non issue.

just food for thought,
 
I've never heard of a Dodge dealer asking what the owner hauls in the event of an engine or transmission problem. Actually, I've never heard of an engine or transmission failure during the warranty period.

What I mean when I say engine failure is crankshaft, rods, main and rod bearings, cam, cam bearings, valves, head, head gasket, block, the sort of failure that might result from severe overloading or, in the case of a Furd, towing any load at all.

I have certainly read of injector failures, and turbo, egr, dpf sooting but those issues are not related to heavy hauling.

What I'm saying is I don't choose to tow heavy on a regular basis but wouldn't fear a warranty cancellation if I did. Thousands are doing it.
 
If the failures aren't happening,,,,,wouldn't that be all the more reason to increase the approved GCWR ? There would be no potential increase in cost via warranty repairs and they can advertise a competitive GCWR,,,,right ????
 
If the failures aren't happening,,,,,wouldn't that be all the more reason to increase the approved GCWR ? There would be no potential increase in cost via warranty repairs and they can advertise a competitive GCWR,,,,right ????

That sounds logical to me also but there may be a corporate reason for the limits they set that we are not aware of or that we wouldn't consider important but the corporation does.

I"d like to see the limits increased also. We all know the trucks can tow far more than Dodge's limits. We can see proof on the interstates of America everyday.
 
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