Increased power

[nopowerforme]

I have a 1995 2500 5. 9 w/3:55 5 spd std.
I am looking to get a little more towing power. I have been doing lots of research and have found so many ways to do it.

Has anyone heard of DR Performance? They recomend changing injectors with ones that atomize the fuel better and adjusting the pump. they will dyno before and after. Estimated cost $1,995.

I don't think I want to go with TST uprate kit and have to make adsjustments after installation I will have to drive a long distance to get any work done. I would like to just increase from stock to about 230 hp. Any suggestions or Ideas?

 

[BCFAST]

OK... first off... has anyone ever heard of "Dr. Performance"? LMAO!!! Yes, we've heard of them, and my opinion is, no dont go that route. Fortunately, you have a manual transmission. . good for you! You didnt say what you pull and how big it is, but you really only NEED to do a couple things: 1. kill the cat and muffler, 2. buy the TST plate of 230 or 250. you will NOT have to do any adjusting afterward, the performance will astound you, and your mileage will go up greatly! Now, doesnt a few hundred bucks and a weekend of bonding with your truck sound better than $2k??

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97 2500 CC 4x4 3. 54 5spd, Green, #12 plate slid all the way forward, 4inch open exhaust, 235/85 Michelins, RS 9000's, PrimeLoc, Red Tops, TDR cloisonae grill badge!

 

[nopowerforme]

HI BCFAST

I tow a 33ft 5 er weighing 12, 600 lbs I can only get rolling 60 -65 mph on flat ground at just about full throttle. I was told that is about all I can expect to get with what I am towing and what I am pulling with.

This came from the webmaster at TDR

It was TST that told me that after installation I might spens the next week after making small minor adjustments for smoke.
I was also told I would not have to replace or remove the exhaust system.

Why is Dr perfomance so bad except for the price?

Thanks for your adviceMy ears are still open

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by nopowerforme:
This came from the webmaster at TDR

It was TST that told me that after installation I might spens the next week after making small minor adjustments for smoke.
I was also told I would not have to replace or remove the exhaust system.

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Are you sure the "WebMaster" of the TDR sent you that?

Click the "Search" button up in the righthand cornor and search both the 12v and 24v forums for Dr Performane (might have to use many different variations) and you will get a ton of feedback from old posts. I suggest you read those old posts.

How you upgrade the power is a matter of personal preference and how much money you wanna spend. So read and ask questions is all I can tell you. TST is a very good source for upgrades, as well as Diesel Dynamics. Call them and talk to them. Then call Dr. Performance and see what they say.

 

[Dennis Garrett]

I think for the money, you (and your clutch) will be more than satisfied with a simple, inexpensive TST 230/605 kit. It includes the signal line orfice that kicks boost up to about 30# at full throttle. I think the 95 trucks are only about 160 HP anyway, so you won't even know it's the same truck.

 

[nopowerforme]

Thank you for your advice I think perhaps You are right about the 230/605 another question for you..... would I have to get the EGT and boost gauges The key words here are "have to" I plan on getting them but my question I guess, is will there be enough of, if any EGT's to be concerned about?


I love this site, being a first time diesel owner I cannot believe that every diesel owner does not belong to it.

Thanks again

Harry

 

[John_P]

Harry:

Welcome to the TDR Website!

I agree with what Dennis, BCFAST and Eric
(Kat Diesel) already told you. They are
giving you good advice!

I have had the TST cam plates in my truck
(#6 & #5) and can tell you they will
DEFINITELY make a difference in the
performance of your truck! I had the #6
first (250 H. P. ) and it was enough to tow
my 10,000 lb. + trailer/tractor all over
the eastern U. S.
TST will send you a videotape with the
cam plate on how to install the plate.
It is very easy to do and you can put it
in exactly the same spot as your stock
plate. When Mark at TST told you about
"adjusting" the plate, that is only if
YOU feel there is too much smoke. I can
tell you it will be very slight if at all.
If you want to see smoke, come see my truck!

As the other members said, the Dr.
Performance parts are expensive. I have
not used them so I can't tell you if
they are that good or not. Start with
the plate at $299. 00 and try that first.
Save yourself some money.

On the gauges... ... . no, you don't HAVE
TO buy them, but I would highly recommend
them! At least the pyrometer(EGT). The
cost of the gauge is ALOT less than a
new/rebuilt engine. With the cam plates
you can get into situations where your
EGT's can get high, especially towing
heavy loads up hills.

Hope this has helped you some.
Good luck!

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John_P

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Red '96 4x4 2500 Auto 3. 54, TST #5, Major Pump Mods(By "Scheid Diesel") 370 Diamond B Injectors, Gov. Spring kit, AFC Spring kit, Banks Exhaust, Prime Loc, Cummins Chrome Kit,Psychotty Air Filter, Pro-Torque Converter, BD Valve Body, BD Pressure Loc, Isspro Gauges, Sendel 16" Alum Wheels w/ 33" BFGs

 

[DLysne]

I have to agree with all of these guys. I currently have the TST #6 plate and am extremely pleased. The installation is alot easier than you think. If you put the TST plate in the same position as the stock one you will not have much smoke, I only get a small puff when I floor it from a stopped position. You will hear people talking about the star wheel adjustment that can be made. This adjustment, "if needed", is very easy and only takes a couple minutes. If you do this installation yourself you will learn alot more.

Checkout www.tstproducts.com as I believe they have the complete instructions online for you to view, they also send a video tape. If you put one plate in and find it doesn't cut it you can always trade up to the next. I would think you would be safe installing the mild plate without installing the guages, however, I strongly advise installing them. As far as Dr. Performance goes I also have no experiece with them so I can't comment. However, I know a couple guys who have some mods done with Dr. Performance and said they have to watch their temps pretty closely. Start doing some searches within the forums and you will find the answers you need. If not, all of the guys on this site are more than willing to help a fellow Cummins lover.

Good luck,
Dan

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1998 2500 Ext Cab 12valve. TST #6, Isspro guages on A-pillar, JRE 4", Scotty Air, & DTT VB.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

There are two basic approaches to adding fuel for power.

One is increased rack travel in the pump. This can be done by moving the torque plate, using a richer torque plate, and/or adjusting a screw from the bak of the governor. I like the TST torque plate approach because it selectively richens fueling vs. rpm to control egt. Non selective richening at all rpm, or too much at any rpm, can cause excesive egt. TST also includes a boost control to raise turbo boost levels to burn the extra fuel efficiently.

The other approach to more fuel is bigger injectors, either Bosch or extrude honed (or some other modification). New Bosch are good, and among the extrude honed group, I much prefer Diesel Dynamics. Both Bosch and DD atomize fuel very well. Some modified injectors (or even a bad Bosch one) dyno well but may be deficient in atomization or sealing/pop off pressure, based on reports I have heard--I have tried only Bosch and DD myself. Quality workmanship is to be sought.

Some systems/vendors emphasize one, some the other, some both. It is also possible to turn the governor spring retainer a few clicks for more rpm, or (better) use the BD governor spring kit.

Hope this helps.

 

[sewman]

Joe,
BPine told me that your trying the DD inj
which # are you trying & how do they compare to the 370's
TIA
Bob


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94,4x,#4TST 16cm. ,5spd,4. 10LSD,35"BFG A-T,Lund Flares, A-PIllarGuages,Southbend Ceramic clutch,straight ex. ,RS9000.

 

[BCFAST]

nopower, you will get *some* nice performance gains with the 230 plate (note my signature), but you really, really gotta open up the stock exhaust, otherwise the air cant get out. In a truck of that age, the catalytic is surely plugged. Call Geno's and get a bypass.

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97 2500 CC 4x4 3. 54 5spd, Green, #12 plate slid all the way forward, 4inch open exhaust, 235/85 Michelins, RS 9000's, PrimeLoc, Red Tops, TDR cloisonae grill badge!

 

[nopowerforme]

:confused Thanks BC does everybody else agree with him? I don't want to go through all the trouble of installing the kit and still have NOPOWER I am living in ID right now going to MN for a year or so reg in tx whats the poop on removing the cat and passing inspect. ?
I will not be back to TX for another few years.

HELP!!!!! I have just ordered my Kit and gauges from TST. #ad

 

[JEmmons]

At inspection, they will look to see if the cat is there and no holes drilled in it. A friend pulled his off and knocked the guts out of it, has passed for the past two years. From the outside, it looks untouched and no holes in it.

 

[zzman]

Say Harry,
If you are flooring the petal to maintain 65 mph, You'll want to get a bigger trailer after the upgrade I think.

I've only adjusted the stock plate on mine and my truck can't tell the 25' T. T. is back there, even at 65 mph.

Empty I still get 20 mpg.

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97 3500 SLT REDext cab duelly p/u 5sp 3:54 2wd 245/75R16
3" straight exhaust stock torque plate slid full foward star wheel tweeked
105,000 miles still with plenty of ZOOM... ZOOM... ZOOM

RON Z

 

[nopowerforme]

Hi ZZMAN #ad


Guess I will have to change my name to somethiung else Huh!

I hope i'm going to be as happy as everybody tell me I will be.

I was reading the diections on line at TST's site what is the AFC housing and what does it stand for?

I can't wait to get everything If they ship it quickly I hope to have the gauges in,the day after i get them. I will be pulling the trailer back MN in May stopping in Boise first then up to International falls, by way of Yellowstone NP. so i will be giving it a good test.

Thanks for your input and encouragement #ad

 

[nopowerforme]

#ad
I have to thank you all for some very good recomendations and advice,after reading what you all had to say I did a lot of looking and reading.

I think to start I will get the TST uprate kit the 230 hp / 605 lb-ft and try to install it myself. From what I have read I think I should be able to do it. Just to play safe and again based upon your recomendations I will add the EGT gauge and the boost gauge. I will use a half pillar set up and put the EGT gauge on the bottom.
I believe I will order the gauges from TST as well.

What temp gauge should I order?

I think in the future IO may change the exhaust and perhaps the injectors, but for now I will stay with the stock one. I already have a K&N air filter and a Jacobs E brake installed.

How does this sound for a beginning? #ad


Again many thanks for all the great feedback

 

[SRT-6]

AFC=Air fuel control. It controls the fueling to the engine in relation to how much boost pressure it sees.

[This message has been edited by 6BT IN A GMC (edited 02-24-2001). ]

 

[nopowerforme]

6BT in A GMC

Things are looking up I may just change my name soon to lots of power fo me #ad


Thank you

 

[radixr]

Nopower,

If you get into trouble removing the breakoff screw (the most difficult step), get a long 1/8" drill, drill a shallow hole in the screw head and use a #21 Torx bit with the hand impact tool to remove the screw.

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1996 Dodge 2500 4X4 SC, SLT, Cummins 12V, 5-spd. , JRE 4" exhaust (my kitty ran away into the woods and the muffler fell off!), TST 280 HP/685 Ft-Lb Uprate Kit, AFC Spring Kit, Horton Fan Clutch, Jacobs/Ram Exhaust Brake, MagHytec Differential Cover, Prime-Loc, Rancho RS9000 Shocks, Combo Gauge, K&N Air Filter, Brite-Box, Geno's finger-touch oil pan drain plug, Optima Yellow Tops, no turbo silencer ring, full-time fog lights.

 

[Billy Eldred]

6btinaGMC meant to say AFC= Air/Fuel control instead of advanced fuel control.

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