Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Injector Question

[WardJ]

Jammer Stage 2 or 3 Injectors, any opinions out there? What do they do to EGT's respectively. Not looking for max HP here, mostly just for daily driving and towing. I'm not a hot rodder... ... ... ... ... . well not really.



Thanks in advance

 

[Fishin Guide]

Jammer Stage 2 or 3 Injectors, any opinions out there? What do they do to EGT's respectively. Not looking for max HP here, mostly just for daily driving and towing. I'm not a hot rodder... ... ... ... ... . well not really.



Thanks in advance

I do not know much aboout the jammers.



I am a fan of the F1 injectors though. I did run some of DDs old honed injectors and hated them.



Dave

 

[KKlingbeil]

Jammer 2's are 80 horse i think, and jammer 3's are 100. With either, you are going to want a different boost elbow in your turbo, and a boost fooler. You could tow about anything with the 2's without egt trouble, the 3's might get a little toasty. Good luck!!

 

[WardJ]

Forgive my ignorance, but exactly what is a boost fooler and a boost elbow?

 

[Bob Wagner]

boost fooler clips the map sensor voltage to keep the fuel flowing past 20psi and stops the check engine light



boost elbow delays the wastegate from opening to give you more air

 

[WardJ]

Who makes these magic items and where can they be purchased?

 

[hammersley]

OH Oh

WardJ is about to take the PLUNGE down that slippery slope!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Supermod56]

Who makes these magic items and where can they be purchased?

"Chips" like the Edge EZ, come with the elbow, and the boost fooler is built in. You should do like I did, get a Catcher ECM and some F1 Mach 1. 6 injectors, awesome towing package

 

[mroidt]

Search

Do a search on " jammer install" and you'll find plenty of opinions.

From what I read the 3's are a little hot for stock turbo and towing.

 

[kelly4463]

I run jammers 3's 35/40 turbo and a comp box i tow on 1x1 it tows real nice ooyes the truck will run :-laf :-laf

 

[McDowra]

Who makes these magic items and where can they be purchased?

I don't make them, but I sell a ton of them :-laf



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Complete Injectors

 

[Babyfat]

Don't Forget About Guages And Clutch Parts To Go With Them Injectors

 

[nps]

I'm towing with Jammer 2's and a stock turbo. EGTs are down from the stock injectors by about 50*, but my stock setup was hot from the factory. Can't comment on 3's, but I wouldn't want my motor any hotter.

 

[WardJ]

Don't Forget About Guages And Clutch Parts To Go With Them Injectors

Zackly!



It is my intention to add them first. I think Stage 2 is plenty for what I'm looking for with the addition of a 'box' and a BHAF. Since towing plays high up the list, I ordered a Pacbrake yesterday and Bilsteins are going on in a couple of weeks. The originals are ragged out so I figured on improving the ride a bit.



Discovered an oil leak coming from the timing case near the top and right behind the fan, so that will have to be taken care of pretty quickly... ... messy but more of an annoyance than anything serious. All in all I am very happy with my purchase from a month ago. It does a fine job of moving the trailer, but I think a Jordan is in my future before we make the trek across country to our new home.

 

[SnoKing]

Zackly!



It is my intention to add them first. I think Stage 2 is plenty for what I'm looking for with the addition of a 'box' and a BHAF. Since towing plays high up the list, I ordered a Pacbrake yesterday and Bilsteins are going on in a couple of weeks. The originals are ragged out so I figured on improving the ride a bit.



Discovered an oil leak coming from the timing case near the top and right behind the fan, so that will have to be taken care of pretty quickly... ... messy but more of an annoyance than anything serious. All in all I am very happy with my purchase from a month ago. It does a fine job of moving the trailer, but I think a Jordan is in my future before we make the trek across country to our new home.

Oil is most likely from the breather bottle. Get rid of it and extend the hose down the sway bar. SNOKING

 

[SHobbs]

Honed or extruded injectors use a thick substance forced through the injectors to increase the size of the holes. The injectors that Don M produces utilizes a wire to increase the holes sorta like a drill bit. Correct so far? Don't remember where I read it but, honed injectors due to the thick goo ran through them have the equivalant of about 100k miles of wear on them outta the box before installation due to the goo. Did I read that right, is it true?

 

[KERMA]

Don't remember where I read it but, honed injectors due to the thick goo ran through them have the equivalant of about 100k miles of wear on them outta the box before installation due to the goo. Did I read that right, is it true?

Depends what media you use to cut, and the way the goo is fed through the nozzles. From what I understand, there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way. Yes, if the seats are cut too much it will lead to premature failure (leakage). Also, if the large hole at the top of the nozzle that guides the needle is enlarged the nozzle won't hold pressure as well, just like a worn-out nozzle.



Every new nozzle actually has a bit of extrude honing done to them after the spray holes are drilled (EDM'ed) and before they leave the factory. Bosch calls it "hydro grinding" and it's done to radius the inner seat of the spray hole and and polish the inside of the nozzles for smoother flow. Properly done honing will in effect continue this "hydro-grinding" process that began at the nozzle factory. As long as it's not overdone.



If you need extreme flow you are better off going with holes that are already close to the needed flow from the factory. Drilling them out (EDM) after the fact can lead to other problems.