Injury with Catalyst full, time to give back

[catoiler]

The way you put it it makes it sound like unless you drive it for 8hrs then you should buy something else,you know these are not job specific motors, they are made for john Q public and are made for such. the plymouth will go the distance!

 

[Bob4x4]

Yah the motor is cummins but the software is chrysler! well from a mechanic and operators point of view for over 30yrs all internal combustion engine are the same be it a 2000lb toyota or a 80000lb peterbuilt. they require the same operation=intake,compression,power and exhaust. that is unless they are a 2 stroke! their is no truth to the way you state must be used as such. I can tell from reading your posts you are not that familiar with motors. If what you are saying is true then my 63 plymouth with a built 360 can only be driven on the track because it puts out over 500hp. not true. thanks for trying though. not flaming you just informing.

Cummins is very involved with the software.



Bob

 

[catoiler]

If they are it started this year no?

 

[PaulBarker]

a 5. 9 has made alot of people happy grocery getters. nobody never complained about them not preforming or having to drive a certain way. why are yall defending DC on the change that is not working, do yall profit from ther sells. why won't yall support those who want to shell out 45k dollars to use these trucks how they want to. whether you are 18 or 70 yrs old and you want to pull 30k lbs or drive it to school it doesn't matter. But those of you that are not effected by a truck that doesn't perform probably wont't get it and will continue to defend DC, shame on you!! What about those who do pull and work these truck and have the same problem. are they pulling too much, what is your excuse for them, my truck does not pull that much but it is under a constant load because of the tires and rims i have on the truck. I also dont have the two CATs or the DPF on this truck anymore, but i had the problems and i lemoned that truck (6. 7)



Friend, i am sorry to hear what happened about you and your wife, i was left stranded 400 miles from home at 3am with a totally stock 6. 7 and 1200 miles on it. Mind you, for those of you that say i needed to drive a certain way for the DPF to function, that was all high miles. i was on the high way driving 80mph when that happened (for almost 2hrs straight). needless to say that truck spent more time in the shop than it did in city traffic, so i had no choice to lemon it.



It bothers me to see GM, Furd, and Dodge Diesels used as a car and with out a scratch in the bed after two yrs of ownership. But its there choice, also GM and Furd has no problem being a grocery getter with a DPF exhaust system. Dodge seems to be the only one with a problem. I dont want to hear, "go buy a Furd or GM" Don't be a child DC Defenders

 

[catoiler]

Thank You Paul!Well Said.

 

[RVTRKN]

a 5. 9 has made alot of people happy grocery getters. nobody never complained about them not preforming or having to drive a certain way. why are yall defending DC on the change that is not working, do yall profit from ther sells. why won't yall support those who want to shell out 45k dollars to use these trucks how they want to. whether you are 18 or 70 yrs old and you want to pull 30k lbs or drive it to school it doesn't matter. But those of you that are not effected by a truck that doesn't perform probably wont't get it and will continue to defend DC, shame on you!! What about those who do pull and work these truck and have the same problem. are they pulling too much, what is your excuse for them, my truck does not pull that much but it is under a constant load because of the tires and rims i have on the truck. I also dont have the two CATs or the DPF on this truck anymore, but i had the problems and i lemoned that truck (6. 7)



Friend, i am sorry to hear what happened about you and your wife, i was left stranded 400 miles from home at 3am with a totally stock 6. 7 and 1200 miles on it. Mind you, for those of you that say i needed to drive a certain way for the DPF to function, that was all high miles. i was on the high way driving 80mph when that happened (for almost 2hrs straight). needless to say that truck spent more time in the shop than it did in city traffic, so i had no choice to lemon it.



It bothers me to see GM, Furd, and Dodge Diesels used as a car and with out a scratch in the bed after two yrs of ownership. But its there choice, also GM and Furd has no problem being a grocery getter with a DPF exhaust system. Dodge seems to be the only one with a problem. I dont want to hear, "go buy a Furd or GM" Don't be a child DC Defenders

I,m sorry, but to say that only Dodge is having problems is wrong, all makes are having issues with the DPF some more than others but all makes are having problems. Yes, Dodge needs to step up to the plate and fix them, but its not Dodges fault they exsist. If you want to blame someone for the DPF blame the EPA and the enviromental wacko's. It is new technology and there will be growing pains. Take the "no lead fuel" for example, and the smog crap on the gassers in the 70's, it wasn't until the early 90's with the advent of micro chips and betters computers before the automotive world over came it and began building better engines and they were more powerful as well.



If you don't drive these vehicles enough to perform a regen then it makes since that they will plug up. Per your failure where you had driven at the level Dodge recommended, perhaps there was a different issue as to why the DPF failed. All makes have quality issues even Toyota, and could of had faulty components causing the failure. I'm glad to hear you were able to get your money back, but your truck failure was not related to the same problem catoiler has with his. catoiler should be able to get his money back if he was not told before he bought it, of the driving style he must comply with and for good reason, but to compare your issues with his is not the same.



I dont defend Dodge or other manufactures as well, but sympathize with them, why dont you form a group and protest the EPA, but somehow I think it will fall on deaf ears. Only your vote will change the stupid politicians that bring on these stupid laws that force the manufactures into these devises that havent been tested because the rules change from year to year. If it took 20+ years for the gassers to overcome the stupid laws then 1 or 2 years won't help the manufacture in developing a good DPF. The reason they sell them without testing per the lifetime of the product is because there is a market for them and if they don't build them someone else will.



ITS THE EPA, AND IF WE DON'T GET RID OF IT, THIS WILL ONLY HAPPEN AGAIN.



The EPA should allow long term testing before they make it a law, but then again it is the politicians that make the laws, look at what they did to the Pacific NW with the spotted owl, it cost jobs and all of us money even though you don't see it directly as an example.



I've gambled on the fact that Cummins has a better engine and developing department than International or Isuzu, and so far mine has performed as good as can be expected, I wish the MPG was better but then again ITS THE EPA.

 

[SStrano]

I'm thinking of trading my current truck on an '08. Can anyone enlighten me about what the "change in driving habits for 45 minutes" type statement on that tag means????????



I'd look for myself, but don't have an '08 Owner's manual, and I'm really wondering what they want. Run around floored all the time? run in 4th instead of 6th?

 

[PaulBarker]

it means if you are a city driver with short trips(30 mins or less) through out the week you will have to go on a hour drive once a week to clean out the DPF, let it go through a regen cycle. dont get one, find a 07 5. 9, used if so

 

[SStrano]

Not a city driver. About 15 minutes to and from work (does get to temp) on country roads, and while I do drive it to work sometimes, it'd mostly be used for trips towing a car on a open trailer. Have a car I usually daily drive most of the time.



So, are we saying that we don't have a lot of regen problems for trucks used more like mine?



As always, I appreciate the responses.

 

[HBarlow]

I,m sorry, but to say that only Dodge is having problems is wrong, all makes are having issues with the DPF some more than others but all makes are having problems. Yes, Dodge needs to step up to the plate and fix them, but its not Dodges fault they exsist. If you want to blame someone for the DPF blame the EPA and the enviromental wacko's. It is new technology and there will be growing pains. Take the "no lead fuel" for example, and the smog crap on the gassers in the 70's, it wasn't until the early 90's with the advent of micro chips and betters computers before the automotive world over came it and began building better engines and they were more powerful as well.



If you don't drive these vehicles enough to perform a regen then it makes since that they will plug up. Per your failure where you had driven at the level Dodge recommended, perhaps there was a different issue as to why the DPF failed. All makes have quality issues even Toyota, and could of had faulty components causing the failure. I'm glad to hear you were able to get your money back, but your truck failure was not related to the same problem catoiler has with his. catoiler should be able to get his money back if he was not told before he bought it, of the driving style he must comply with and for good reason, but to compare your issues with his is not the same.



I dont defend Dodge or other manufactures as well, but sympathize with them, why dont you form a group and protest the EPA, but somehow I think it will fall on deaf ears. Only your vote will change the stupid politicians that bring on these stupid laws that force the manufactures into these devises that havent been tested because the rules change from year to year. If it took 20+ years for the gassers to overcome the stupid laws then 1 or 2 years won't help the manufacture in developing a good DPF. The reason they sell them without testing per the lifetime of the product is because there is a market for them and if they don't build them someone else will.



ITS THE EPA, AND IF WE DON'T GET RID OF IT, THIS WILL ONLY HAPPEN AGAIN.



The EPA should allow long term testing before they make it a law, but then again it is the politicians that make the laws, look at what they did to the Pacific NW with the spotted owl, it cost jobs and all of us money even though you don't see it directly as an example.



I've gambled on the fact that Cummins has a better engine and developing department than International or Isuzu, and so far mine has performed as good as can be expected, I wish the MPG was better but then again ITS THE EPA.

I agree with RVTRKN.



Harvey

 

[SBreaux]

Not wanting to offend anyone, this evening the same problem occured again. Cat full, see owners manual, truck dies. I called for a ride from work, and called the dealer. We'll see I guess.



Now, the EPA does not build, manufacture, plan, warranty, or anythig else for Chrysler or Dodge. This is a Dodge/Chrysler problem, not EPA even if they set a standard. DC is the one who said the truck is ready for market, and even charged a premium for 2010 standards when they can't even meet 2007/2008.



I did tell the dealer this evening that I would like to have my money back. My old truck is still sitting on the lot, and I would be delighted to have my 2005 GMC back. The dealer and I will see how this ends.



For all those pro-Dodge, I honestly wish you the best with your Dodge. This is just not the vechicle Chrysler/Dodge advertised it is claimed to be.

 

[nickleinonen]

On Edit- Does the new GE EVO locomotive meet 2010 emissions?

as it stands right now, i don't think so. i was talking with the ge tech reps at work this week and we were all under the impression that it doesn't. i honestly am not sure how it got the current rating... they have a visible black haze while idling coming from the exhaust. that however could be easily fixed with software and an exhaust stack catalyst.


while i am all for improving the emissions output of any engine, if my engine ever gives me big trouble, it'll be yanked and swapped with a p-pump engine [12v or 24v]

 

[rbattelle]

while i am all for improving the emissions output of any engine, if my engine ever gives me big trouble, it'll be yanked and swapped with a p-pump engine [12v or 24v]

Amen to that. Actually, no need for a swap - just p-pump the common rail engine!



Ryan

 

[RVTRKN]

Now, the EPA does not build, manufacture, plan, warranty, or anythig else for Chrysler or Dodge. This is a Dodge/Chrysler problem, not EPA even if they set a standard. DC is the one who said the truck is ready for market, and even charged a premium for 2010 standards when they can't even meet 2007/2008.



QUOTE]



If you believe that, then the engines built and tuned in 1981 that ran so awesome were planed by the auto industry so they could help the computer industry invent new technology, and wanted to be known for the worst engines ever built.



The DMAX you want back is the same year DMAX I had to drive, for my old company and it is a overheating engine and GM still denies it, and now has a popular aftermarket kit to increase the cooling capacity designed by a member on The Diesel Place web site.



I wish you the best in whatever you decide but your driving habits will not work in any new diesel produced today because of the new regulations that were imposed by the EPA and not the auto industry. The 2010 emissions 6. 7 engine is Cummins trying to get ahead of the never ending changing EPA rules that cost the auto industry billions of dollars and I applaud them for it. Just remember that is why you pay 50K for a truck that is built for todays market.

 

[HBarlow]

Feel free to trade the Dodge back to the dealer for your GMC. No hard feelings here.



Harvey

 

[catoiler]

Wher in SBreaux posts did he say ALL he does is drive it to the market? That was only one time maybe he uses it to haul heavy loads and tow with it also!

 

[Wolfy]

Beside the point.

Yah the motor is cummins but the software is chrysler! well from a mechanic and operators point of view for over 30yrs all internal combustion engine are the same be it a 2000lb toyota or a 80000lb peterbuilt. they require the same operation=intake,compression,power and exhaust. that is unless they are a 2 stroke! their is no truth to the way you state must be used as such. I can tell from reading your posts you are not that familiar with motors. If what you are saying is true then my 63 plymouth with a built 360 can only be driven on the track because it puts out over 500hp. not true. thanks for trying though. not flaming you just informing.

The description of the operational cycle that "all" engines share has no bearing on the issue regarding the problems commonly reported in these threads, and the performance of any older engine, high hp or low, is not the point.



It is the NEW attempt to greatly reduce the emissions resulting from that cycle that has caused NEW PARTS AND FUNCTIONS to be attached-to/expected-from these engines, and it is those functions and the involved parts that require "specified" driving conditions to perform as designed.



The regeneration of the DPF is dependent upon certain minimum exhaust temperatures achieved by higher speed/load driving conditions, or by the computer-controlled "active regen" process which injects additional fuel into the system to increase exhaust temperatures. If, for whatever reason, the required temperatures are not met a sufficient percentage of the driving time, the DPF will not be "regenerated"(cleaned out), and clogging will result in problems.



This current reality has nothing to do with how "all" engines produce their power, and being "familiar with engines" which were never designed to deal with emissions as these new ones are, does not qualify one to discuss modern designs authoritatively.



To the extent that the new engines "must be used" in ways that create the conditions (temps) for the emission reduction systems to continue to function as intended, ... they are DIFFERENT from "all" the previous engines, and the fact that they produce power using similar cycles is beside the point.



The issue centers around the amount(percentages) of emissions produced by the engines,... not the amount of power. And "all engines" are NOT the same in this regard.



For what it is worth, I have driven my rig with these factors in mind, and have had zero "problems" at the (admittedly low) 3000 mile mark. Maybe just good luck,... but still a fact. The truck has not had the "recall" work done (yet) although I have received notice that it is indicated for this unit. Only "18-033-07 Revision A" has been applied (before delivery). I have tried to minimize city-type driving, and use the (empty) rig mostly for highway trips. Only very infrequent light towing use so far.



['07. 5, 3500, QC, DRW, 4WD, 6. 7, Auto, 3. 73]

 

[catoiler]

Mine will go into regen in town and you know when it does! the dpf plugging, regen and egr are the only differance and their lies the problem. If they are intended as a purpose built truck they should be sold as such and not offered to the general public.

 

[HBarlow]

The description of the operational cycle that "all" engines share has no bearing on the issue regarding the problems commonly reported in these threads, and the performance of any older engine, high hp or low, is not the point.



It is the NEW attempt to greatly reduce the emissions resulting from that cycle that has caused NEW PARTS AND FUNCTIONS to be attached-to/expected-from these engines, and it is those functions and the involved parts that require "specified" driving conditions to perform as designed.



The regeneration of the DPF is dependent upon certain minimum exhaust temperatures achieved by higher speed/load driving conditions, or by the computer-controlled "active regen" process which injects additional fuel into the system to increase exhaust temperatures. If, for whatever reason, the required temperatures are not met a sufficient percentage of the driving time, the DPF will not be "regenerated"(cleaned out), and clogging will result in problems.



This current reality has nothing to do with how "all" engines produce their power, and being "familiar with engines" which were never designed to deal with emissions as these new ones are, does not qualify one to discuss modern designs authoritatively.



To the extent that the new engines "must be used" in ways that create the conditions (temps) for the emission reduction systems to continue to function as intended, ... they are DIFFERENT from "all" the previous engines, and the fact that they produce power using similar cycles is beside the point.



The issue centers around the amount(percentages) of emissions produced by the engines,... not the amount of power. And "all engines" are NOT the same in this regard.



For what it is worth, I have driven my rig with these factors in mind, and have had zero "problems" at the (admittedly low) 3000 mile mark. Maybe just good luck,... but still a fact. The truck has not had the "recall" work done (yet) although I have received notice that it is indicated for this unit. Only "18-033-07 Revision A" has been applied (before delivery). I have tried to minimize city-type driving, and use the (empty) rig mostly for highway trips. Only very infrequent light towing use so far.



['07. 5, 3500, QC, DRW, 4WD, 6. 7, Auto, 3. 73]

Wolfy,



An excellent, informative post that forced me to consider avoiding short trips around town altogether with my new '08. Damn the EPA and the liberal hacks in Congress who have imposed this on us!



Harvey

 

[RGrizzle]

Not wanting to offend anyone, this evening the same problem occured again. Cat full, see owners manual, truck dies. I called for a ride from work, and called the dealer. We'll see I guess.



Now, the EPA does not build, manufacture, plan, warranty, or anythig else for Chrysler or Dodge. This is a Dodge/Chrysler problem, not EPA even if they set a standard. DC is the one who said the truck is ready for market, and even charged a premium for 2010 standards when they can't even meet 2007/2008.



I did tell the dealer this evening that I would like to have my money back. My old truck is still sitting on the lot, and I would be delighted to have my 2005 GMC back. The dealer and I will see how this ends.



For all those pro-Dodge, I honestly wish you the best with your Dodge. This is just not the vechicle Chrysler/Dodge advertised it is claimed to be.

sorry to hear about the problems you have had but this is not the norm for the dodge /cummins . i haven't had any problems with mine so far nor did i with the other two cummins /dodge trucks i have had . i read about people that have had problems on line but in real life i hardly ever talk to anyone having issues . sounds like you have either got a bad truck or there is the possibility that your dealer does not know what they are doing with these trucks . i have learned that not all dealers know what they should about the product they are servicing and selling . i had to switch dealers because my selling dealer didn't seem to know anything about them . i can certainly see where this would leave a bad taste in your mouth as this sounds like it was your first dodge .