Inline-6 Diesel

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

Removing tree sap

diesel page pull off 2

If the Cummins inline-6 diesel engine is better than a Powerstroke than why does'nt Navistar have their own in a version for the Ford pickups?

My next truck will be the Dodge with the Cummins. Another question is what improvements do you see with the ISB motor in the near future? Thanks Joe :D
 
In spite of the comments posted here by some very sincere people, there is no huge inherent engineering advantage to the inline six VS v-8 cylinder arrangement. However, there are some worth mentioning.



1. It fits nicely between the frame rails and provides room beside the engine for accessories and work space.



2. Large bore/stroke measurements means the engine breathes well at low speeds - better torque / cubic inch.



3. Reduced complexity. There are fewer parts, fewer gaskets, etc. This is only a minor consideration, to be honest. Major engine part failure is very, very rare for the Cummins and IH engines.



Many of the over-the-road truck engines are inline sixes especially for reasons 1 and 3. They require less machining and fewer complex operations to create.



As far as my gaze into the tea leaves of the future...



1. More Power! I don't think the horsepower war is over, so expect more power. Just remember that the more power you get, the more you can break stuff.



2. More Quiet! This forum has had spy reports that say that the next generation Cummins B engine will be much quieter, due to some very creative engineering of the block and heads.



Well, hope that catches your interest... :)
 
International Trk & Engine makes their Own in-line 6-cyl. engines, the DT-466E & DT-530E they use in their medium duties, some with weight ratings in the 40,000 to 50,000 ibs. or more. Ford uses the V-8 because the V-8 fits better in the vehicle. I wouldn't get too hung up on this "In-Line 6 is better" thing. Most of the trucks I've driven, 10 and 18 wheel variety have been V-8 powered, and They have ALL been Cummins Powered. 555 and 903 CUMMINS powered. And for what it's worth, the V-8's ALWAYS ran better/faster than the in-line 6 they replaced.

DENNY... ... ... ... ... ... :D
 
Long ago!

Denny,I drove some myself and most (and I mean 98%)of all road trucks at this time are inline sixs. Reason:improved fuel milage,Better lowend torque,longevity,and ease of maint. The V-design is not used in over the road apps. The V design is fine for hot-rods,but for over the road use and longevity,give me the inline six anytime..... Give me a 425 Cat or even a big cam 400 Cummins and the 903 is way back in the mirrors... ... .
 
Originally posted by Power Wagon



2. More Quiet! This forum has had spy reports that say that the next generation Cummins B engine will be much quieter, due to some very creative engineering of the block and heads.






Oh, Noooo... ... . :eek: :mad:



One of the best things about the Cummins, and in fact most diesel engines for me is that unmistakable sound that says RAW POWER!!!!!!!!!



If I'd wanted a diesel powered sewing machine, I'd have bought a darn PowerFloke!!



Oh, well... .



Tom
 
6=9 or 10

No attack on the V8 intended but- Torque is the answer. How do you get more torque? Longer stroke. Which engine has a longer stroke? The inline engine. PERIOD!! How can a 359 CI engine possibly run with a 444 CI? More torque per CI. The binder engine is a fine unit but not as efficent as the little Cummins. PERIOD.
 
What champane flight said. I was an owner operator for some years. The class 8 trucks(the big ones) do not have v-8's for a reason. They just dont compare to the inline 6's.

Ford probibally has the navistar engine because they came in low on a bid, or because of corperate alliances.

Hell, it's a "good enough" engine for it's purposes, we just have a

better one!

Eric
 
Tooling

I think the Powerstroke/Duramax is a OK engine for what it does. These trucks were tooled for these engines and the public as a whole has been sold on the V design for years V=hp. They do develop high HP through higher RPMs,however loose some of the hangon torque and fuel milage that the longer stroke sixs have. Detroit would have to spend some serious dough to re-tool the Fords and Chevys for big sixs. I think this and the sell is what keeps the other two from going to big sixs.



It took 12 years for Ford and Navistar to develop the V-8 diesel they have today. Some serious catchup and and allot of inovations for just a OK engine. But, they do have a faithful following and are starting to catch our little 5. 9s in the HP wars. Cause in point:Maddog 600+hp at may Maddness. Congrats to the Dog!Of course Bullydog Cummins at 643 still has it. And HVAC had transmission problems. The Duramax has promise,but still is unproven,maybe after a few hundred thousand miles they will.



I bought my truck to pull a fifthwheel,boat,and equipment from point A to point B and it does this well. I have driven all three trucks and find the Dodge the best for my needs. It is nice to know that the truck I own has to capability to put the new kids to shame. I also have to admit a certain loyalty to Chrysler. We are a breed apart... ... ... .
 
Back
Top