INSITE Pro Software

[BigCarl64]

Is it possible to buy a copy of the INSITE Pro software from Cummins? You can download the POWERSpec Software from Cummins, but all it will change is a few parameters in the ECM. such as idle speed, max road speed, cruise control, etc.



Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Diesel Freak]

HMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



Hackers of the world unite!



From what I have heard, it is not cheap!

 

[RJRobb]

Cummins also sells Insite Lite. It's suppose to allow you to change most parameters except CPL, fueling, etc. It has monitoring capabilities but no data logging. Cost is approx. $350. The Inline I adapter is about $100 but doesn't work on the Dodge. Dodge needs the Inline II (w/J1939 intrface) which costs approx. $850. You can make the cables yourself or get them for a lot less then Cummins wants.

 

[TxDieselKid]

I noticed your from Texas, I too am from Texas...

Maybe we could try to buy this with the LSTDR. Put together some folks that would be intrested, you know what I mean? I am really wanting to know more about the M. A. D. ECM, but this could be a replacement?



Let's find out more.



AJB

 

[BigCarl64]

That's worth a consideration, TxDieselKid. If we could find out exactly the capabilities of the software, then determine if it would be worth it.

I am from Conroe, so just up the road from you.



For anyone interested,I have been experimenting with the OBD2 software from Alex Peper. It works ok, gives some real-time data, and correctly found DTC codes and reset them ok. My real goal is to be able to reprogram the ECM and share it with TDR members. Everyone with computer knowledge is free to jump in and help.

 

[Morphious]

I have had experience hacking ( ummm, I mean reverse engineering) machines and their communication languages. I am a software engineer by trade and have been thinking about doing something like this this winter when I am bored and their is nothing to do on the farm.



Morph.

 

[RJRobb]

I've seen Insite Pro in action when I had my Bering truck uprated from 520 to 605 torque. I was told Lite can do everything except update the ECM software (install revisions), change CPL and/or uprate torque (fuel/air ratios) settings.



The software asks a number of questions so the ECM can make accurate calculations about fuel mileage and road speed. Provided this functions are under ECM control, it can control PTO, set cruise control options, set rev limits, control idle shutdown, set idle speed, interface with exhaust brake, set fan functions, interface with A/C operation.



The software will show fault codes that were set, max speed, max RPMs, panic stops, number of braking actions, idle time. Fuel consumption is broken down by mpg and while idleing.

Trip related information is resetable (RoadRelay 4 is capable of doing this, QuickCheck is not).



Real time monitoring can display RPMs, Vehicle Speed, Coolant Temp, Boost Pressure, Oil Temp, Oil Pressure, Intake Air Temp, Ambient Air Pressure, Fuel Rate, % Throttle.



You do need Inline I (J1587) or Inline II (does J1587 or J1939) to use this software.



If someone can get a Insite Lite group purchase together, count me in. Don't know if Cummins service centers allows software to be purchased at a discount.

 

[Diesel Freak]

hmmm finally some interest

 

[TxDieselKid]

well lets see here...

BigCarl,



I am up in Conroe all the time, but am going back to school on this Saturday. However this does not mean that I am not intrested in this. I'll try and post something on the LSTDR page if I can. I don't know how that page works, but I'll find out.



I don't really know how much hacking there would have to be on a program that is setup to change the levels of the ECM. I would think it would all be cut and dry.



I wish Marco would help, but I'm sure he would see this as compition and bad mouth us. Please do not hate us Master Marco, it's just an idea.

 

[Archive]

INSITE Pro can change a lot of the ECM parameters within a certain preset range. The software to change the actual ECM CPL programing (read Horsepower here) is licensed as "ESDN". I have used ESDN to uprate the power on several different engines. The Dodge Cummins is in fact a J1939 protocol.



Ummmmmm. I'm not going to post anymore than this. Have Fun.

 

[BigCarl64]

According to Cummins website, INSITE Pro does support ESDN.



"INSITE Lite and Pro software packages contain all the engine (ECM) applications for Automotive and Industrial support. INSITE Pro is the only application that includes and supports ESDN".



IF anyone is not aware, Cummins offers a free online software called POWERSPEC that allows you to configure and upload to your ECM most of the functions that RJRobb mentioned in his previous post.



I am even considering traking the course offered by Cummins on INSITE to learn exactly how to use and configure the software.

 

[B9Mile]

Big Brother Is Watching

Now that we are getting into some interesting aspects of the ECM and other things, be very careful what you say on this board.



Once upon a time there was a poster (CMECHANIC) who was leaned on very hard by his employer and others. Somebody even sent him a virus, which was pretty hard on his 'puter.



For those that doubt, take a look at the form for TDR subscriptions. Why do you think a VIN # is asked for?



I'm sure its for "Marketing Purposes Only" !!

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: Big Brother Is Watching

Originally posted by B9Mile

Now that we are getting into some interesting aspects of the ECM and other things, be very careful what you say on this board.



Once upon a time there was a poster (CMECHANIC) who was leaned on very hard by his employer and others. Somebody even sent him a virus, which was pretty hard on his 'puter.



For those that doubt, take a look at the form for TDR subscriptions. Why do you think a VIN # is asked for?



I'm sure its for "Marketing Purposes Only" !!

I have read the stories about him, and think that's a crockwhat they did to him. I know he was giving away some hardcore "scerets" but still, a virus? How professional is that?



Anyways, if you took a class, I bet that you could sell those things.

 

[Todd T]

we can all just use his VIN then,LOL



I have found a place to get the J1939 converter for $249 then i we were to pool together and buy a copy of the insite program we could time share it.



here is a teaser for you all that are on the side lines right now.



you can enable the PTO thats right fellas the PTO. and even set it up for five defferent RPM levels. and do things like deactivate it with the brake peddal, use a remote switch mounted OH SAY under the hood for when you are jumping a car in the winter or rain.



you can set up security passwords.



you can activate a idle shutdown feature.



you can deactivate the raod speed govenor.



I think Marco could fill us in on the blanks but that would be taking food out of his mouth.



I we work together and even offline if need be I think we could do this.

 

[Archive]

The Cummins website is technically correct. INSITE Pro does "support" ESDN. Good Luck on getting the security key access codes. (Did the website mention that?)

B9mile is giving VERY good advice. I'm finished here... .



Thanks Everyone.

 

[BigCarl64]

What is with all the cloak and dagger crap regarding reprogramming the ECM? I guess I should be afraid, the ECM police will come and get me. LOL! NOT!!!!!!!



Any computer system can be hacked and cracked, and that's what I intend to do, especially since I bought and paid for it. Just the challenge of it now makes it worthwhile. Since I work for noone other than myself, I could care less about anyone else telling me not to. Besides, other members will benefit from the knowledge once it's done.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Looks like it is time for a trip to Tx.

 

[TxDieselKid]

It's great to live in Texas

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

Looks like it is time for a trip to Tx.

Man, I love how I would just have to drive an hour, or 3 depending on where I am.



Big,

I am very intrested in this, but I would not be able to contribuste that much since I'm paying for my truck, and college, and fuel. I still want in, just not as mush as some other members might be able to.



HEY, YOU! The one who hasn't said anything but is intrested. I know there are lots of you, SPEAK UP!!!



AJB

 

[EagleEye]

HEY...I got left in the CyberDust...

BigCarl64, heres some info, but not very useful...

I have been playing around with the QuickCheck II to see if we could use the CAN to serial interface in place of the AutoTap. I emulated my Palm on my laptop, and now the QCII will read the info directly to my computer without the Palm.

Unfortunately, after tracing out the chips used for CAN and also the serial side, it is a ONE WAY communication. They didn't solder in the other half. SO... I can read with the computer but no WRITE capabilities here (still kinda cool to have it on the laptop though).

AutoTap's may be a viable option to the J1939 interface. If it doesn't work, I've got a heck of a lot of other distributors that can supply that is CHEAPER than Cummins!!!



Got lost in the CyberDust, and just happened to fall upon this new thread.



Looks as if alot of people are trying the same thing here... keep me posted!!!



And ANY comments welcome. We need more info on ESDN!

 

[heliopilot]

people do not let this thread die, this is a cheap and viable alternate, it will allow for cheap and easy horsepower upgrades,there are many people out there with the knowledge to do this, yet no one want's to publicly stick their neck on the chopping block.