Interesting fuel guidance from Dodge

[Laramie]

I just picked up my black dually 07, 5. 9 yesterday.



There is a yellow amendment to manual card that addresses fuel. It says Dodge recommends ULSD or LSD. I didn't think the 5. 9s were supposed to run the ULSD at all? Kind of strange, I plan to run either regular or LSD and that's it, from the guidance I've gotten from TDR mag. Can't figure that out.

 

[rbattelle]

They're telling you that ULSD and LSD are both acceptable because it's a 5. 9. Starting with the 6. 7, only ULSD will be acceptable.



Of course, by January the only fuel available will be ULSD.



Ryan

 

[DCarner]

It will run just fine on ulsd, unless you make your own diesel you don't have a choice, but to run ulsd. Your probably running it right now.

 

[bighornram]

It will run just fine on ulsd, unless you make your own diesel you don't have a choice, but to run ulsd. Your probably running it right now.

An extra shot of biodiesel will restore lubricity to the fuel. They say as small as 1% bio.

 

[jwduke]

They're telling you that ULSD and LSD are both acceptable because it's a 5. 9. Starting with the 6. 7, only ULSD will be acceptable.



Of course, by January the only fuel available will be ULSD.



Ryan

LSD will be available until 2010.

 

[DSpencer]

Here's where Flying J sells their fuel and they now show ULSD and LSD. Most have already changed over.



http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=ALL

 

[rbattelle]

LSD will be available until 2010.

You're right, I'm sure, but let's face it: 99% of the fuel stations at the consumer level are going to run exclusively ULSD.



Ryan

 

[Laramie]

Well, I guess I misunderstood, I'm relieved.



I filled up today, first time at Pilot with LSD. Shell across the street only had ULSD.



Thanks guys.

 

[Matt400]

let's face it: 99% of the fuel stations at the consumer level are going to run exclusively ULSD.

Hey Ryan,

Was there ever much posted on the additive package that needs to be added at the station level?



It's my understanding that the needed lubricity additive package will contaminate tanks that carry other product lines. So as this includes the haulers I am assuming either the driver treats the load when dropped or the store operator when they get around to it.

 

[rbattelle]

I am assuming either the driver treats the load when dropped or the store operator when they get around to it.

Yikes. I hope not.



At this point everyone should either be running minimum 2% biodiesel or a fuel additive.



Ryan

 

[Matt400]

:-laf one thing for sure is I am using an additive until I feel comfortable with how they are delivering ULSD.

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

For the most part additives are injected when loaded onto the truck but I don't know about the ULSD additives. As far as the contamination issue I believe that had to do with the pipe lines and the requirements on Jet A fuel so unless a tanker is going to be hualing jet fuel then they can have the additives, either way it's probably going to be a big mess. Rely on Ryans advice, biodiesel and/or some additive. I've got some non-detergent oil laying around from when I had my Oliver bulldozer that I've been mixing with my stanadyne 50/50 8 oz each.

 

[Matt400]

As far as the contamination issue I believe that had to do with the pipe lines and the requirements on Jet A fuel so unless a tanker is going to be hualing jet fuel then they can have the additives

Thats the thing cuz I would think tankers that run ULSD to service stations also haul Jet A to many airports especially the smaller ones so if they add when loading the transport companies will need separate trucks.

 

[bighornram]

Here is a link to the summer 2006 newsletter from the National Biodiesel Board . They discuss ULSD and additives.



Summer 2006 National Biodiesel Board Newsletter (Mirrored on NMTDR.com)

 

[DBond]

LSD will be available until 2010.

I believe California will be / is 100%, and everywhere else has to have at least 80% ULSD. So most of what you find in the lower 48 will be ULSD.

 

[Matt400]

I believe California will be / is 100%, and everywhere else has to have at least 80% ULSD. So most of what you find in the lower 48 will be ULSD.

I have been looking for pump markers or stickers saying if its LSD or ULSD thinking I would see various locations differ during the transition but nothing. Looks like they just made the switch and are not putting any label as to what it is.



A quick look at this link:

http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=CA

shows no more LSD at those locations.



Some interesting reading here,

Below is a shorter version-

Because ULSD is prone to pick up contamination as it travels through the distribution system, refiners are planning to produce ULSD at between eight to 10 parts per million (ppm). Most terminal operators are expecting that by the time it reaches the rack to be loaded into trucks, it will likely be at 15 ppm. This leaves no margin for error in transporting compliant product to retail locations.



To put this into perspective, 15 ppm diesel fuel is equivalent to one tablespoon of sulfur in an Olympic-size pool full of fuel.



ULSD may accelerate the need to change filters on trucks and storage tanks, according to Joe Marlow, a vice president with filter manufacturer Fleetguard. Because, in most applications, ULSD is used in conjunction with high pressure common rail fuel systems, the fuel must be able to operate effectively with higher pressure temperatures and flows. This makes it more critical to have clean fuel, and you certainly don't want contaminants in the fuel under pressure.



Marlow noted that water in a high pressure fuel system is a significant concern, and it is harder to get the water out in ULSD. He says that a synthetic media for the filter may be needed rather than the normal cellulose media.



When you take sulfur out of fuel, you tend to get more "organic bugs" which cause filter plugging. ULSD's detergent effect scours fuel-storage tanks, picking up sludge-like particles found on the bottoms of tanks and bringing them into trucks' fuel tanks. This may require a fuel additive to prevent these organic growths.

 

[DBond]

I have been looking for pump markers or stickers saying if its LSD or ULSD thinking I would see various locations differ during the transition but nothing. Looks like they just made the switch and are not putting any label as to what it is. -

If you are in CA, it seems they don't have to label, because they are going 100% ULSD, there is no concern of putting LSD in a 2007. 5.



Another note; for those that have lables, if the label says 500ppm, that just means it have no MORE than 500ppm, it might in fact be 15 ppm. During the transition it will take several tankers of fuel before the LSD is diluted.

 

[Matt400]

there is no concern of putting LSD in a 2007. 5.

Are you sure about that? The whole reason for ULSD is to enable the use of DPFT usage where LSD would damage them.

 

[woodsrat]

I talked with our bulk supplier today about the new fuel, (we have has it here for about 6 months) He said a a meeting they had with thier fuel supplier that if they are selling additives to make some extra coin and there is a problem with a motor it will be thier problem. Im talking about BP here not sure of other brands but they said there is no need to add anything to BP fuel and they will back it up unless there has been additives put in the fuel system. We go through 12-15000 gallons a month and have had no trouble with the new fuel.

 

[TheBigSgt]

I had to add this. Wait till you get the oil changed on a 6. 7. The new engine has a special Dodge oil requirement. Only place that has it is Dodge. At our dealership, which is very fair priced on services, is 100. 00. :--) So if you don't use the oil with the right standards, Oh well! No Warrenty! :{



I can see this coming! :-{} #@$%!