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The requirement is for CJ-4 oil, it is available at Wal-mart and other places. If the oil was required to be changed and Dodge was the only ones that had it then it would have to be provided for free, that's why they say the NV-4500 and 5600 don't ever need oil changes becuase you can only get the oil from them. As long as you change the oil your self the price is about the same for the new oil.
 
Turbo Tim 1 said:
The requirement is for CJ-4 oil, it is available at Wal-mart and other places. If the oil was required to be changed and Dodge was the only ones that had it then it would have to be provided for free, that's why they say the NV-4500 and 5600 don't ever need oil changes becuase you can only get the oil from them. As long as you change the oil your self the price is about the same for the new oil.



OK, to late to check on the Wally world thing, but where do you get the idea that you don't ever change the oil in a NV-4500 and 5600?
 
Not that I follow the recommended fluid change interval but in the 2001 Owners Manual on page 215 it states



Lubrication Selection for the NV-4500



This transmission is filled with 75W synthetic, API grade GL4, Mopar P/N 4874459, gear lubricant and does not require periodic changing.



It says the same thing for the 5600 only with a different part number for the lubricant. Just about every manufacturer is making the new CJ-4 oil, infact there are some threads around about whether or not the old oil will be available or not soon.
 
Matt400 said:
Are you sure about that? The whole reason for ULSD is to enable the use of DPFT usage where LSD would damage them.



Sorry, You are right.

What I intended to say was, because CA is going 100% ULSD, there is no CHANCE of putting LSD in a 2007. 5, when in CA.

Sorry about the confusion.
 
DBond said:
Sorry, You are right.
What I intended to say was, because CA is going 100% ULSD, there is no CHANCE of putting LSD in a 2007. 5, when in CA.
Sorry about the confusion.
IS 100% and has been! In California, the state has mandated that ULSD be the only fuel available. Therefore, the EPA has exempted California from labeling dispenser pumps. Straight from the Chevron site.


[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chevron and Texaco retail sites will be converted to S15 (ULSD) no later than:
  • Sept. 1 for California
  • Oct. 15 outside California, including Canada, Puerto Rico, and US Virgin Islands
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Mike
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I believe the requirement is CI-4plus. I did find it at wally world by chevron at just under 3 bucks a quart. I'm trying to get the latest from Dodge.
 
The new requirement for the 2007 trucks is CJ-4 Article When you are at Wally world look for the Rotella T, you should find there there are now two different looking bottles on the shelf. The new one says something about triple protection and has multiple colors on the front. They only had the gallons when I was there. Tractor supply was also carrying it as was Advanced Auto.
 
Hey, good articule, but I still say the Dodge requirement is PLUS, but I will look in the manual today. Also the had a message from Dodge about it to I believe. I'll check it. The Cheveron was the only one I saw that met CI-4Plus requirements. Another thing I had never noticed was the had MOPAR oil filter on the shelve. under 10 bucks here.
 
Turbo Tim is right.



There is tons of information out there on this topic.



CI rated oils cannot be used in the new 6. 7l motor



CJ rated oils can be used in the 6. 7l and are backwards compatible to work in the 5. 9l because they meet the CI requirements.



I am running the CJ-4 oil in my truck right now.
 
Do a little research before believing what someone at the dealership told you



Google search for Dodge Cummins CJ-4



Q: What is API CJ-4 and what is different about it?



A: The EPA has mandated changes for 2007 diesel engines and API CJ-4 is the corresponding diesel oil specification. CJ-4 is an improvement over the previous CI-4. Plus API specification, although chemical limitations have been put in place for CJ-4. The reason for these chemical limitations has to do with the fact that 2007 diesel engines have a new device on the exhaust system. This new device is called a diesel particulate filter (DPF)which is designed to greatly reduce particulate emissions of diesel engines. Sulfated ash, phosphorus, and sulfur additives have been limited because these additives will clog the DPF.
 
Ditto on the CJ-4. I just changed my oil last week and got the Rotella T from Wal-Mart as usual. The only Rotella T oil they had was the new CJ-4 so that's what I'm running right now.
 
Holy Crud! I've really started reading on this stuff and it really wakes me up! I'll post 2 articules I found. I found them intersting as can be!





Simplicity and Compatibility



While CJ-4 oils are being developed specifically to be compatible with exhaust aftertreatment devices, they will also provide better soot-handling capabilities and oxidation control. In short, they’ll offer increased overall performance and better protection for the new engines – and will protect older vehicles, too. Lubrizol has devised a CJ-4 product offering that provides this additional performance while maintaining operational simplicity and flexibility without the need to manage additional new components.



Considering the potential change in the market and the profile of these products, having this flexibility in operations and logistics during this transition is a welcome piece of good news. Extensive testing by Lubrizol has demonstrated that API CJ-4 is backward compatible, which means API CJ-4 oils can be used in older-model vehicles as long as the oil analysis is closely monitored and the appropriate maintenance schedule is maintained based on lubricant quality.



It’s important to resist any temptation to use anything but CJ-4 oil in an EPA 2007-compliant engine, because the higher levels of sulfur, ash and phosphorus in CI-4 PLUS oils may cause problems with the exhaust aftertreatment devices. Using a CI-4 PLUS oil in 2007 vehicles could cause increased plugging of aftertreatment devices, which could lead to reduced fuel efficiency and higher maintenance. All currently licensable categories, including API CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4, and CI-4 PLUS are not forward compatible to API CJ-4 due to the chemical limits for ash, phosphorous and sulfur defined by API CJ-4.



It is essential to follow the manufacturer’s recommendations and select an oil designed to meet your engines requirements, delivering protection and proven performance. Otherwise, warranties could be affected. Truck owner/operators will need to check with their OEMs for specifics.





The API CJ-4 requirements describe oils for use in those high-speed four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet the on-highway exhaust emission standards being implemented for 2007 model year as well as for previous model years. These oils are compounded for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0. 05% by weight). However, the use of these oils with greater than 15 ppm (0. 0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact aftertreatment system durability and/or oil drain interval.

These oils are especially effective to sustain emission control system durability, where, particulate filters and other advanced aftertreatment systems are used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, low and high temperature stability, soot handling properties, oxidative thickening, foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear.



Engine oils that meet the API Service Category CJ-4 designation have been tested in accordance with the ACC Code of Practice and may use the API Base Oil Interchangeability Guidelines and the API Guidelines for SAE Viscosity Grade Engine Testing.



API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4, CI-4 PLUS, CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories. When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.



The first license date for API CJ-4 will be October 15, 2006.



Effective May 1, 2006, marketers may license products meeting API CJ-4 requirements as API CI-4, CI-4 PLUS, CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4.



Oils in the API CJ-4 category evolved from the heavy duty diesel specification known as Proposed Category 10 (PC-10). These oils are formulated to enable the use of increased EGR rates and new exhaust aftertreatment devices in model 2007 on-road diesel trucks to help meet the 2007 EPA exhaust emission standards. To be compatible with exhaust aftertreatment technology, CJ-4 oil must meet chemical restrictions of less than:



1. 0 percent ash;

0. 4 percent sulfur;

0. 12 percent phosphorus.

CJ-4 oils also offer a number of performance benefits over previous API categories, including:



High-temperature antioxidancy;

Enhanced soot control;

Enhanced low-temperature pumpability;

Lower levels of oil consumption.

CJ-4 oil is formulated to be compatible with exhaust aftertreatment systems required for on-road model year 2007 diesel trucks.



After reading this, I'm thinking that DC is behind on this and CJ-4 should be used. I got the requirements right off the DC computer for what is required on the new 6. 7, and it says CI-4 LOL
 
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