Interesting P.S. 6.0 Comments

[Gene Arnold]

I've just been on the Airstream Forums site and read a very interesting thread about the problems of the 6. 0 Power Stroke.



Calling All Ford 6. 0 PSD Owners!!! - Airstream Forums



Gene

 

[Regcabguy]

6.0 Zion blues.

What a mess! We were in Zion recently and I heard a 6. 0 start up in distress. My wife said,"What's that sound". I replied" It's a 6. 0 Ford" The owner was so embarassed and disgusted with the thing. It smoothed out somewhat and he was on his way,praying the whole way I'm certain.

 

[jgillott]

That's an interesting perspective from a 6. 0L owner who seems to have really taken the time to understand the issues. It is unfortunate that any product makes it to market with so many issues. But faced with the ever tightening EPA regulations, diesel engine manufactures had to make some difficult choices in the design directions that they would use. Some worked, and like the 6. 0L, some were failures.



The only comment that I didn't agree with OP of that thread was his comment about the Ford vs. Navistar VT365 ECM programming being an issue. I can tell you from experience that the VT365 is as bad or worse in the International truck applications as it has been for Ford. We have 25 medium duty Internationals powered by the VT365 at work that have been an adventure to say the least. I don't believe that any of them are still in original condition at this point. Many have had multiple engine replacements, countless turbo and EGR cooler issues (trust me... it looks like you are crop dusting when one goes out on the road). You truly can't trust any of them to actually get you back home when you leave with them. I've been left on the side of the road more than once.

 

[HBarlow]

Interesting. The original poster seemed knowledgeable and thoughtful but my question is why bother?

All the OP's suggested modifications are probably good ones and will probably eliminate or reduce some of the problems but the 6. 0 Navistar is still a piece of crap that will continue to be unreliable and failure prone. It would be wiser and probably cheaper to simply take the loss now and dump the 6. 0 Ferd in a trade for a good truck.

 

[RHestand]

I found it very interesting to finally find out the real technical details about the problems that were causing all my break-downs with my 03, 6. 0.

Man, I worked up some terrible hate for that engine!

Then I couldn't sell it, so I started shopping for a Cummins to install. Just before I ordered the re-built Cummins, a Ford diesel mechanic bought (stole?) my truck? I have never lost that much money on a vehicle deal in my life. Thirty months, and $30,000 loss.

The only positive was, I finally switched over to Dodge in 06. A 2500, six speed.

Ray

 

[Regcabguy]

Ford's lost $550,000,000 so far on warranty claims on that engine. That might explain why they've parted ways with International. My old job is being forced to replace their reliable Hino and non-egr Internationals with new "green" units which are getting terrible fuel economy and have been making regular runs to the dealer already. I can see the need to have cleaner running engines,but why not let the existing units die a natural death instead of forcing them out of Ca. Other states will be getting some well maintained vehicles within two years(CARB deadline). :{

 

[jgillott]

Ford's lost $550,000,000 so far on warranty claims on that engine. That might explain why they've parted ways with International. My old job is being forced to replace their reliable Hino and non-egr Internationals with new "green" units which are getting terrible fuel economy and have been making regular runs to the dealer already. I can see the need to have cleaner running engines,but why not let the existing units die a natural death instead of forcing them out of Ca. Other states will be getting some well maintained vehicles within two years(CARB deadline). :{

Each new batch we get in our fleet gets progressively worse. And unfortunately, the problems associated with them, seem to be unable to be fixed long term. Our drivers literally fight over an old Freightliner we have at work with a 5. 9L/Alli combo when their primary unit goes down. It used to be that our trucks were lasting 7-10 years at 60-70K/year and still had some value in the used market when sold. I will be amazed if our batch of '05's will see 5 years. It's just an amazing increase in cost not even factoring the down time.

 

[rscurtis]

Ford's lost $550,000,000 so far on warranty claims on that engine. That might explain why they've parted ways with International. My old job is being forced to replace their reliable Hino and non-egr Internationals with new "green" units which are getting terrible fuel economy and have been making regular runs to the dealer already. I can see the need to have cleaner running engines,but why not let the existing units die a natural death instead of forcing them out of Ca. Other states will be getting some well maintained vehicles within two years(CARB deadline). :{

Think of all the extra fuel consumption and emissions production caused by all those "regular runs to the dealer".

 

[Grizzly]

Very interesting accounts by Ford Powerjoke owners. I have to wonder how Ford's in-house 6. 7 v8 diesel unfolds in time. It may have been better for Ford to use the Volvo in-line 6. I believe they still own Volvo.

 

[jgillott]

Very interesting accounts by Ford Powerjoke owners. I have to wonder how Ford's in-house 6. 7 v8 diesel unfolds in time. It may have been better for Ford to use the Volvo in-line 6. I believe they still own Volvo.

I'm confidnent that the new 6. 7L V8 will be a step in the right direction for Ford. That's based solely on that fact that it will be extremely difficult to do worse than what happened with the 6. 0L. :-laf

 

[Grizzly]

I'm confidnent that the new 6. 7L V8 will be a step in the right direction for Ford. That's based solely on that fact that it will be extremely difficult to do worse than what happened with the 6. 0L. :-laf

I wouldn't bet on it!

 

[HBarlow]

Think of all the extra fuel consumption and emissions production caused by all those "regular runs to the dealer".

... ... . plus all the fuel burned by rollback wreckers going out to load them on the highways where they are broken down and haul them back to the nearest dealer.

Back in '05 through '07 when I was transporting and always on the highways of America it was common to see a Ferd "Sick. O" alongside the highway waiting, stuck in an interstate highway reststop waiting, or riding on the back of a tow truck.

 

[jgillott]

I wouldn't bet on it!

Come on... have a little faith. No company could be that bad twice. :-laf:-laf

 

[surfbeetle]

Just want to point out an oddity, $550,000,000 in warranty claims for Ford and it's Chrysler that had to go bankrupt.

 

[HBarlow]

Daimler ran Chrysler into the ground, perhaps intentionally.

 

[RHestand]

I'll be curious to see how well the two new V-8 diesels perform with the new turbo (turbos?), in the valley design. From what I hear, GM is developing one, and now ferd?

If they are indeed viable engines, with their shorter/narrower configuration, it would allow for much more versatility as a diesel option, instead of gas V/8s.

IMO,the in-line, 6 cyl. turbo diesel is a great (best?) engine, but in most current automotive design configurations, they are too long and heavy.

Ray