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Hello all, if there's a better way for me to get the info, please point me in the right direction. I searched the forum and couldn't find anything pertinent, but my internet skills may be, errr, prehistoric?

I've got a '93 250 5.9L with ~396K miles and it's been a great truck overall and my preferred vehicle until about 6 months ago. In the past 6-7 months, I've had to use my roadside assist to get it towed back to my residence 7-8 times due to the engine dying on me while driving, or failing to start while out running errands. I've got a neighbor who is a diesel mechanic for the military look at/work on it a few times, had it into the local shop once and had another mobile mechanic who was referred by my hay hauler try to figure it out and I've had no definite answers to the cause. The first couple of times replacing the fuel filter seemed to work (the first time I noticed it was pretty gunked up, the second time it looked fine), getting the truck running for a week or so before dying, the 3rd time it happened I decided I needed a 2nd vehicle to get to work, so the truck hasn't had to be my daily driver (but that truck turned out to have multiple issues, and I spent Sept-November swapping one working vehicle for the other, but that's another story). I was starting to think that perhaps my injector pump was on its way out. The last time it died was when I was on my way back home from the airport over the holidays, about 90 min away. I was about 30 minutes from home when the truck died again. A friend got a 5 gal can of diesel and we tried starting it while waiting for the tow truck, nothing, got home where I had tools to crack the injectors to get the air out, and we were able to start the truck, and after about 10 seconds with my foot on the accelerator, I let off and it promptly died and we were unable to start it again that weekend. It sat in my driveway for a month until I got the referral for the mobile mechanic from my hay hauler and he came out last weekend, thought it was a bad solenoid, checked it and it was fine, he wanted to try bleeding the air again, I was skeptical but we did it and the truck fired up and idled for about 45-60 minutes. He thought that I must have a crack in my fuel intake, that was sucking air when the fuel level dropped low enough, and that made sense to me. The problem is, I've been driving the truck for a week and have gone though more than the 5 gal we put in when it died the last time (so far 140 miles with 45-60 min of idling) and I typically get 22-25mpg, so if that was the case it should have started pulling air and die at 110-125 miles.
I'd like to have the confidence that this will run as I plan on driving it across the country (WA to Chicago) this summer and don't want to think about it dying in, say, eastern Montana, the middle of nowhere North Dakota, etc. So I'd like to know where to look for possible problems and replace the problem parts before then.
Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
 
Well First off Welcome to TDR .Second How often do you change fuel filter ? and How Cold is it up there right now . Could it possibly be gelling fuel ? I change fuel filter every other Oil change . Check your fuel lines that run along the Frame .They are Just Plastic and could possibly crack really easy .As for the Pump it could be on it's way out . I am not sure if there is a way to check and see if it's still good.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, Simplysmn. I started changing the fuel filter like you do this past fall when but before that only did it every 30K. It rarely gets cold enough for the diesel to gel, average low temps in the 40s here on the wet side of the Cascades. What I've been told is that to test the injector pump requires removing it, an the recommended shop for that is over an hour away.

Regarding the cracked fuel lines along the rail, would this be an intermittent problem? It seems as if that would cause constant, regular air in the injectors.

Not sure if this info is pertinent, but I did a veggie oil conversion on it back in 2008, ran it on WVO for about 3-4 years, but haven't run the veggie oil for the past 2-3 years. I plan on putting the WVO tank back in this spring.
 
I wish I had Pitcures of the Motor I took apart that was run on Veggie Oil it had like a Jello about 2 inches think around the Whole Pan .I just pulled the oil pump and am still pulling Chunk's of the same stuff from the oil Passages .I would say I think it's Time for a Pump if your Problem still stay's around . As for the fuel lines yes as the truck's Bounces the line could be moving around Just double check it .
 
More info... Has run fine for a couple of weeks, but after my last errand today, it almost didn't start, taking about 5-10 seconds to start and I had to hit the accelerator. Normally fires right up, even with my foot off the accelerator.
 
Have you checked the lift pump, or have you clean the fuel heater screen? you can check the lift pump by cracking fuel line going to the injection pump. after cracking the line push the manual lift pump button and see if the fuel is making it to the injection pump. I think you will need a 11/8 wrench to remove the housing from the fuel heater to get to the screen.
 
Hello again all. Thanks for the input, and the saga continues. Truck won't start this morning (letting it get lighter and see if the rain eases before I go further, which means cracking/bleeding injector lines as that seems to have been the most consistent thing that works).

jfluffy2 - I replaced the mechanical lift pump last July, should I do it again? Not sure if we did anything to the screen, that may be my next job.

DVolk - O-rings where? (Not a mechanic, in the medical field, but I do as much work on my truck as possible)

Simplysmn - When you say "Whole Pan" what pan are you referring to? (see above explanation if this should be obvious)

Also, when you all say "Pump" are you referring to the expensive injector pump, or the mechanical lift pump?
 
Hey BillyO Yes the whole Oil pan ans even the oil passages inside motor are filled with junk . The whole Bottom of the Oil pan was covered in a think gunk .In the deepest part it was 2 inches thick. and Yes I think you need to rebuild the Injection Pump .
 
On the factory fuel line ends have "O " rings I cut the ends off of mine and got rubber hose and sliped over the factory hose and double clamped on the plastic hose so it wont leak then a single clanp on the pump . What ive found out its the engine side of the fuelines that go bad because of the engine movement to replace the ends are 30.00 for the oem ends and is not easy to do so i went the cheap route
 
Last year I had my ignition switch go bad in a way were every thing worked but the line that energizes the shutdown solenoid, some times it would work some times it wouldn't the truck would still crank like it should but would not start and it would die at random. a way to check is to run a wire from the positive post on the battery right to the shut down solenoid.
 
jfluffy2 - I replaced the mechanical lift pump last July, should I do it again? Not sure if we did anything to the screen, that may be my next job.


I had a new lift pump fail within a year. The rubber "checkvalve" inside disintegrated. I got towed 3 times before I figured it out.
 
Thanks for all the replies, guys (and gals, if appropriate), but the saga continues...
My mobile mechanic came out today and I gave him all the suggestions. He nodded, and suggested we try starting it again while he cracked the injector lines again. As he cracked the second one from the front, the truck tried to start and when he bled the 3rd, it fired up. It idled fine after that, and he's convinced that I'm pulling air somewhere from the fuel tank to the lift pump, most likely at the pickup line. He wants me to drive it as normal, but not let the fuel get below 1/2 a tank if possible, as so far the pattern seems that it dies when I am nearing empty (somewhere between 1/4 tank and the fuel light coming on). Not sure if I'm 100% convinced because the last time it died, we put in 5 gal, and before it died this time, the truck idled for about an hour and I put 179 miles on the trip odometer before it died and wouldn't start after I put the reserve 5 gal in the tank. I'm pretty sure I get 22-25mpg, not 37+mpg.
Thoughts? And Thanks again.
 
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If you bleed air out, it's getting in somehow. I say you have a bad o-rings in the line like Donovan said, or a pinhole between the lift pump and the tank. I replaced the line from the tank a few years back on the 91.5, got the supplies from Vulcan. I think Geno's carries their stuff now. Get a new fuel heater seal while you are at it.
 
I have a similar issue with my 93 5.9 L dodge cummings . I have gutted the FSS and it run fine for about six months then one day it would not start had to be towed back, replaced the lift pump bled it all and it started, then it died a couple of months later replaced the LP again which was still under warranty and in doing that notice that the gutted FSS had started to leak fuel from the top so bought a new one and replaced it without putting in the plunger BUT in the process of cleaning out the hole etc noticed several pieces of flat metal about 1/8 to /4 inch wide which is not good at all..but it started right away once replaced but then would not start without a shot of ether..bled the lines etc and it seems to have ahesitation andit would not do over 50 it seemed at times then all of a sudden it would do the normal 65-70...so I took out the fuel Gage pump out of the tank and the second filter was half full of crud so I figured it would run great now that it was getting fuel...went to work 45 miles away and on the way back stopped just as I was getting off the freeway 1 mile from home...redid all the bleeding etc etc and got it working...drove 2 miles at top speed and as I am turning around in the dirt road it dies as I am blocking half the road and would not start...towed again 1 mile...I read somewhere that if there is metal in the FSS hole it's time for a new Injection Pump..COULD it be anything else...ANY help is very welcome as it is my daily driver and I live 25 miles from anywhere in AZ :)
 
I would say your looking at a Pump . But contact Eric at Thehungrydiesel.com he can point you in the right direction and he sell's part's and loves are ve pump's
 
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