Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Is Dodge going to offer the lift pump in the tank kit for 2nd gen trucks?

[Silver Bullet Ram]

I have heard and seen they have a kit for the new Ram trucks to put the lift pump in the tanks. I was wondering if they were going to make a kit for the second gen trucks? Can anyone answer this?



Gary

 

[MBergman]

The install instructions in the kit discuss flashing the ecm on the 98. 5-02 trucks for the retrofit kit. I think the kit for these trucks should be ready soon.



Marc

 

[Silver Bullet Ram]

cool, thanx

 

[SLezotte]

... maybe I'm out of the loop here... is this kit to be offered by Dodge?

Is it Aftermarket?



Can you point me towards more info on this?

 

[RustyJC]

Check the 3rd generation forums. The 2005 trucks have the lift pump installed in the tank. The discussion involves retrofitting this design into the 2nd generation 24 valve trucks. This would be a Dodge kit.



I guess I'd wait to see how it pans out before I installed it. It's no fun dropping a tank to change a lift pump. Sometimes it's "better the Devil we know than the Devil we don't know!"



JMHO, of course.



Rusty

 

[rowilson]

The install instructions in the kit discuss flashing the ecm on the 98. 5-02 trucks for the retrofit kit. I think the kit for these trucks should be ready soon.



Marc

Marc,

Why would you need a reflash for the lift pump and have you actually seen these instruction? I would think that this would be a no brainer to swap over to this design in lieu of the pusher pump style since the pump would actually be doing what it was desigend to do, lift. I have been waiting to put a pusher pump on and would rather use this instead of one you mount on the frame.

 

[rweis]

I go along with Rusty on this one.



LP on frame, 10 minutes, $139.



LP in tank, somewhat longer than 10 minutes, and $$$???



When (if) the lp goes in the tank, there are still lines, fittings, gauges, filters to contend with, because you still have to get it (fuel) to the VP.



Bob Weis



Interesting, might change the production plans in the FASS, RASP, Air Dog world.

 

[Sageair]

I wonder if an all new wiring harness will be needed or just an addition to the existing? I'n hoping for all new to eliminate an extra connection

 

[MBergman]

The kit does include a relay that ties into the chassis wiring and the pigtail going to the old lift pump. I do not know what the flash is for, just that there was a tsb released stating the flash is to cure long crank times after the kit is installed. I've had the kit for my 04 sitting under the counter at work, since the fuel pressure has dropped from 8 to 6 psi. It was sold for a truck towed in, but I got it back today. The tech (parts installer) decided the lift wasn't big enough to hold the truck (9,000lb drive on rack) so it was towed back out. Anyways, the flash may increase the time the pump is on to prime the system before starting.



Marc

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I go along with Rusty on this one.



LP on frame, 10 minutes, $139.



LP in tank, somewhat longer than 10 minutes, and $$$???



When (if) the lp goes in the tank, there are still lines, fittings, gauges, filters to contend with, because you still have to get it (fuel) to the VP.



Bob Weis



Interesting, might change the production plans in the FASS, RASP, Air Dog world.

A *BIG* "AMEN" to all that!

 

[EricBu12]

Guys,



If there is a Lift pump retrofit... or Rather now a pusher, ... then the reliability of it would be the same as for like your sedan car or SUV where, in those, there is an electrical pump in the tank... in all cars... .



. The reason the lift pumps were failing is because it was pulling... which is what an electrical pump is NOT designed to do... They are pushers by design... The Pumps for these [in tank] are about an inch in diameter and 3" long... Sortof a rotary submersible pump... . That should last a long time like a regular gasser truck.

 

[rweis]

... then the reliability of it would be the same as for like your sedan car or SUV where, in those, there is an electrical pump in the tank... in all cars... .



OK, so you think because DC is finally going to put it where it belongs that they have it right? ... ... ... ... ..... only took 16 years. Of course it will be designed to feed F5's with a Drag Comp right?, say 1000 HP. Sure it will Probably will be a gasser tank pump that will have problems pumping diesel reliability when the fuel gells a little.



I think I will leave mine on the frame where it has been for 50k and running fine, and when it fails replace it with the spare in the tool box for another 50k (or more, ????). By then, the tank mount will be tested and proven or not proven.



Does look like that I have side stepped the FASS, RASP, Air Dog routiene though.



Bob Weis

 

[Jed]

lift pump

how much fun will it be to change? even if my fass quits i do not have to drop the tank and the fass is not built by the lowest bidder.

 

[claykelly]

I just priced the kit for the 3rd gens at my local Dodge dealer, $292. 89 for the kit, and another $26. 14 for a hose. I guess for $319 I'd be willing to give it a shot that's for sure, buy 2 lift pumps and you've paid for it, not to mention the savings if you don't damage your VP.

 

[Nyoest]

So is this going to be availible soon? I'd rather put mine in the tank for that price. I like the fass, rasp, etc, etc but my wife does NOT understand.



As far as dropping the tank, last week I had to check my pickup up tube and of course I had just filled er up. Six bolts, five electrical connections, three straps and one cherry picker I had the bed off in no time. You can get right to the sending unit like that.

 

[rweis]

How do you get the cherry picker into the garage?



Bob Weis

 

[jdross440]

Do you have a part number for this kit? Is there a service bulletin associated with it? Do you know if they have the kit available or a part number for the 2000 model?