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Is it worth it !!!!!!



Depends on what side of the fence your on.



If you grow corn or any thing that can be used as fuel then no if you buy food or have to eat then again no.



But if you buy, refine or sale any of these products for resale them then yes its worth it.

This country is so bottom line its scary ... ... ...



What happened to the days when you helped or fellow man today its lets see if we can hurt your fellow man.

Tonight before you go to bed look in the mirror,, What do you see? did you do something that helped the World today or not.



SO MAKING BIOFUEL OUT OF VIRGIN FOOD PRODUCTS IS A WASTE OF TIME/MONEY this plan will not work it drives the cost up!!!!

MAKING THE SAME FUEL OUT OF WASTE PRODUCT IS NOT.

Its not driving the cost of anything up.



This country will emplode on its self, just a matter of when. No I am not a tree hugger. I am doing this because I can.



cj hall
 
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An another article

Oil industry scales back refinery plans By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer

Sun Jun 17, 7:26 PM ET







WASHINGTON - A push from Congress and the White House for huge increases in biofuels, such as ethanol, is prompting the oil industry to scale back its plans for refinery expansions. That could keep gasoline prices high, possibly for years to come.



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With President Bush calling for a 20 percent drop in gasoline use and the Senate now debating legislation for huge increases in ethanol production, oil companies see growing uncertainty about future gasoline demand and little need to expand refineries or build new ones.



Oil industry executives no longer believe there will be the demand for gasoline over the next decade to warrant the billions of dollars in refinery expansions — as much as 10 percent increase in new refining capacity — they anticipated as recently as a year ago.



Biofuels such as ethanol and efforts to get automakers to build more fuel-efficient cars and SUVs have been portrayed as key to countering high gasoline prices, but they are likely to do little to curb costs at the pump today, or in the years ahead as refiners reduce gasoline production.



A shortage of refineries frequently has been blamed by politicians for the sharp price spikes in gasoline, as was the case last week by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla. , during debate on a Senate energy bill.



"The fact is that Americans are paying more at the pump because we do not have the domestic capacity to refine the fuels consumers demand," Inhofe complained as he tried unsuccessfully to get into the bill a proposal to ease permitting and environmental rules for refineries.



This spring, refiners, hampered by outages, could not keep up with demand and imports were down because of greater fuel demand in Europe and elsewhere. Despite stable — even sometimes declining — oil prices, gasoline prices soared to record levels and remain well above $3 a gallon.



Consumer advocates maintain the oil industry likes it that way.



"By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies gain control over price at the wholesale level," said Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America. He argued that a wave of mergers in recent years created a refining industry that "has no interest in creating spare (refining) capacity. "



Only last year, the Energy Department was told that refiners, reaping big profits and anticipating growing demand, were looking at boosting their refining capacity by more than 1. 6 million barrels a day, a roughly 10 percent increase. That would be enough to produce an additional 37 million gallons of gasoline daily.



But oil companies already have scaled those expansion plans back by nearly 40 percent. More cancelations are expected if Congress passes legislation now before the Senate calling for 15 billion gallons of ethanol use annually by 2015 and more than double that by 2022, say industry and government officials.



"These (expansion) decisions are being revisited in boardrooms across the refining sector," said Charlie Drevna, executive vice president of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association.



With the anticipated growth in biofuels, "you're getting down to needing little or no additional gasoline production" above what is being made today, said Joanne Shore, an analyst for the government's Energy Information Administration.



In 2006, motorists used 143 billion gallons of gasoline, of which 136 billion was produced by U. S. refineries, and the rest imported.



Drevna, the industry lobbyist, said annual demand had been expected to grow to about 161 billion gallons by 2017. But Bush's call to cut gasoline demand by 20 percent — through a combination of fuel efficiency improvements and ethanol — would reduce that demand below what U. S. refineries make today, he said.



"We will end up exporting gasoline," said Drevna.



Asked recently whether Chevron Corp. might build a new refinery, vice chairman Peter Robertson replied, "Why would I invest in a refinery when you're trying to make 20 percent of the gasoline supply ethanol?"



Valero Corp. , the nation's largest refiner producing 3. 3 million barrels a day of petroleum product, recently boosted production capacity at its Port Arthur, Texas, refinery by 325,000 barrels a day. But company spokesman Bill Day said some additional expansions have been postponed.



"That's not to say we've changed our plans," Day said in an interview. "But it's fair to say we're taking a closer look at what the president is saying and what Congress is saying" about biofuels. He said there's a "mixed message" coming out of Washington, calling for more production but also for reducing gasoline demand.



"It's something that we have to study pretty carefully," said Day.



Ron Lamberty of the American Coalition for Ethanol said all the talk about biofuels threatening gasoline production is the "latest attempt to blame ethanol on Big Oil's failure to meet our energy needs. "



"The ethanol industry continues to grow while oil refiners continue to make excuses for maintaining their profitable status quo," said Lamberty.



Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N. D. , said consolidation of the oil industry into fewer companies has left them with no incentive to expand refineries.



"It's a perverted system that does not act as a free market system would act," said Dorgan. "If you narrow the neck of refining, you actually provide a greater boost to prices which is a greater boost to profitability. "



Richard Blumenthal, the attorney general of Connecticut, wants Congress to require refiners to maintain a supply cushion in case of unexpected outages.



In the 1980s, Blumenthal said at a recent hearing, refiners were producing at 77. 6 percent of their capacity, "which allowed for easy increases in production to address shortages. In the 1990s, as the industry closed refineries, ... (that figure) rose to 91. 4 percent, leaving little room for expansion to cover supply shortfalls. "



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The bill being debated in the Senate is HR 6.
 
I saw that article this weekend; chaps my hide. It's a wonderful excuse and at the same time not completely unrealistic reaction to a changing market! Talk about the law of unintended consequences... if 'we' (the US, etc) successfully find an alternative to the present dino fuel industry, it better become widely available and fast, because the 'old wife' is certainly going to make us pay...

gak!
 
refinerys = ?????

The last Company that did this to us was ????????????????





ENRON





wake up and smell the vegoil people!!!!!!!!!!







cj hall
 
Just to show that the American public is not getting ripped off on their food the article states that the price of a bushel of corn is up to $3. 77 from $2. 25 a year ago but in 1947 it was $2. 47 so it really has not changed much in 60 years. In 1973 corn hit $2. 97 per bushel and if adjusted only for inflation the current price would be $13. 91. In 1947 my grandpa bought a 40 acre farm for $1,600 and had to pay $2. 47 to buy corn for livestock feed. Now 60 years later the price of corn is up 50% and the price of farm ground is up over 5,000%. To further clarify my point if you pick the biggest box of corn flakes off the grocery store shelf based on the amount of corn actually in that box the price of the corn flakes should have only increased by about 15 cents. Food prices are going up but it has more to do with the energy costs associated with processing and transporting them than it does with the price of corn, however the big food companies don't want to be the bad guy so they blame it on ethanol. The United States still has the cheapest, safest and most abundant food supply in the world and it's really amazing how little food prices have gone up over the past several decades compared to everything else.
 
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