Is Schaeffer 9000 Cj4+ Ok In 07 5.9 ?

[JNeeley]

Was set to order Schaeffer 9000 syn oil for my 07 5. 9 and found out the Schaeffer is CJ 4+, the 07 5. 9 calls for CI 4 or CI 4+. Rep says it is backwards compatible and is the newer better oil. What are ya'll thoughts on this. ??

 

[amsoilman]

Was set to order Schaeffer 9000 syn oil for my 07 5. 9 and found out the Schaeffer is CJ 4+, the 07 5. 9 calls for CI 4 or CI 4+. Rep says it is backwards compatible and is the newer better oil. What are ya'll thoughts on this. ??

AS long as it meets this spec: Cummins CES 20081 it should be OK.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[JNeeley]

AS long as it meets this spec: Cummins CES 20081 it should be OK.



Wayne

amsoilman

OK now you got me intriqued, never heard of the CUMMINS CES 20081, so fill me in. So I could assume the Amsoil meets the spec, but I wanted to go with a 5/40 and Amsoil is either 15/40 or 5/30 I believe.

 

[MMeilicke]

John Martin has written a series of excellent articles on oil in the last couple of TDR issues. I think beginning with 55 and going through 58 or somewhere around there. Read these articles and I think you might decide to stay with CI 4+

 

[amsoilman]

OK now you got me intriqued, never heard of the CUMMINS CES 20081, so fill me in. So I could assume the Amsoil meets the spec, but I wanted to go with a 5/40 and Amsoil is either 15/40 or 5/30 I believe.

"CES" is a Cummins Engineering Specification, and 20081 is the latest in a series. I beleive it relates and addreses SOOT, Whereas the API Spec. such as API CJ-4 or CI-4+ are Performance specs put out by the Amserican Petrolium Institute, and CJ-4 is the latest spec. of the API. Amsoil does make a 5W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel oil that meets API CJ-4 as well CES 20081. The CI-4+ and CI-4 oils that Amsoil makes do not meet the CES 20081, but do meet the earlier CUMMINS specs.



In my opinion, the CJ-4 oils are as good as the CI-4+ and CI-4 oils, but should be drained at shorter intervals, unless of course you do regular oil analysis, which may allow longer drain intervals.





Wayne

 

[Buffalo]

I'm not an expert in this area (or any other, for that matter) but, my take on the CJ-4, CI-4+ controversy is that the new CJ-4 does not have the strong additive package to handle the byproducts from LSD fuel. The CI-4+ was LOADED with a strong additive package to handle the sulphur & resulting byproducts from the combustion event.



My thinking is that if you are running ULSD & using the CJ-4, you probably are going to have a good experience with it. However, if you are still running LSD, the CJ-4 probably will not work as long as the old CI-4+. If running the LSD, it may be a good idea to change the oil at 5000 mile intervals. You may not want to try extended oil drain intervals.



The base oils in the new CJ-4 is supposed to be stronger than the older CI-4+.



Hope this helps.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[JNeeley]

THANKS, everything in my area is now ULSD