Is using 2stroke no-ash recommended for CR

[S.Morris]

Hi guys



New to the TDR with new to me 04 DRW. Have gained lots of insight reading on the site!



My son has a 97 12valve that we tried the 2stroke oil in at approx 200:1.



It runs noticeably quieter, not sure about mileage increase... getting cold up here. (780000km on it)



My question... ... . is this recommended for the CR pump/injectors. Seems to me a little extra lubrication with out overduing itwould be beneficial?



Thanks for the input

 

[JDiepstra]

No it is not "recommended". But there are guys who will swear by it. A little bio-diesel from a local station added to your tank would be much better.

 

[6BT-Dakota]

And welcome to TDR. I see this is your first post. You joined in Feb. of 2007, what took you so long ? LOL



Rob

 

[Motorhead]

No it is not "recommended". But there are guys who will swear by it. A little bio-diesel from a local station added to your tank would be much better.

When you say a "little" bio diesel... How much of what type? B-99, B-20?

 

[R. Hoesly]

carry 99 bio to add@2%level for ulsd or non bio stations. left wi 20-35 degree weather. carry in 1/2 gal. jugs. froze solid. no use.

 

[JDiepstra]

The place by me sells B20. I am pretty sure Cummins approves B5 for your and my truck. Basically I just put in a few to several gallons whenever I am nearby.



My personal experience with the B20 is that my mpg's did go down 1 to 2 mpg's. But man did it sure quiet down the engine. Not to mention that two tankfulls of it and my fuel filter was starting to clog up to the point that I was getting hesitation. Apparently bio will really clean out the junk that is in your system.



My thoughts now are to just run it as a suppliment, so that I do not get as poor mpg's, but still enjoy the extra lubricity.



Im no expert on fuel or anything, this just works good for me.

 

[B.G. Smith]

/Here's my story and I'm stickin to it. When my truck was new, less than 5,000 miles when I would start it in the morning it would blow white smoke and miss very bad, took to local dealer. "Could not duplicate customers problem. " It continued to do this so I took it to another place (dealer ) in whom i have some confidense. Told him to keep it and drive it until he found the problem. He kept it about two weeks and all he did was add a bottle of Chrysler injector cleaner, he told me to start adding a small bottle of two cycle oil at each fill up. I did this untill the truck had mor than 20,000 miles and deciced I would stop adding the oil and see if it still would miss. I drove from here to Knoxville Tenn. , about 1,000 miles on the fuel in my tanks, it started missing again after I fueled up so I started adding the oil again, no problems since, I am a little over 30,000 miles now. Someone on here ran some tests with different addatives and checked for lubricitity improvements and the Wal-mart two cycle came out pretty high on tthe tests. bg

 

[JDiepstra]

Here's my story and I'm stickin to it. When my truck was new, less than 5,000 miles when I would start it in the motning it would blow white smoke and miss very bad, took to local dealer. "Could not duplicate customers problem. " It continued to do this so I took it to another place (dealer ) in whom i have some confidense. Told him to keep it and drive it until he found the problem. He kept it abou two weeks and all he did was add a bottle of Chrysler injector cleaner, he told me to start adding a small bottle of two cycle oil at each fill up. I did this untill the truck had mor than 20,000 miles anb deciced I would stop adding the oil and see if it still would miss. I drove from here to Knoxville Tenn. , about 1,000 miles on the fuel in my tanks, it started missing again after i fueled up and I started adding the oil again, no problems since, I am a little over 30,000 miles now. Someone on here ran some tests with different addatives and checked for lubricitity improvements and the Wal-mart two cycle came out pretty high on tthe tests. bg

I would be really disappointed if I had to run weed wacker lubricant in my brand new $40,000 truck to keep it from missing and smoking.



I imagine there are not many other stories like this one, but I am glad it is working for you.

 

[B.G. Smith]

I would be really disappointed if I had to run weed wacker lubricant in my brand new $40,000 truck to keep it from missing and smoking.



I imagine there are not many other stories like this one, but I am glad it is working for you.

Yes, I am disappointed. I just figure it's better than loseing a cylinder because of a hung up injector, also I have read some horror stories about usage of biodiesel. bg

 

[pwr2tow]

B G Smith,
Your FCA is sticking, that's more than likely what's causing your problems.

 

[S.Morris]

And welcome to TDR. I see this is your first post. You joined in Feb. of 2007, what took you so long ? LOL



Rob



Just signed up for the mag again... didn't get a CTD intill about a month ago

 

[hsmith]

A bit of that WM 2 cycle oil helps us old 12 valvers designed for LSD!

 

[pwr2tow]

Hi guys


My question... ... . is this recommended for the CR pump/injectors. Seems to me a little extra lubrication with out overduing itwould be beneficial?

Thanks for the input

Not recommended as per owners manual. I have never seen proof that it helps anything live longer where it's not called for. Alot of guys/gals on other forums speak highly of it in older mechanical injection systems. I see no reason or proof that it needs to used in CR systems. As for the other websites, that's why I come here to get the right answers.

 

[pwr2tow]

A bit of that WM 2 cycle oil helps us old 12 valvers designed for LSD!

If your referring to lubricity properties ULSD has lubricity added back in at the terminal/tank farms. No need for adding more lubricity.

As for MPG increase all I know in my 1999 dodge cummins if I averaged out 10 tank fulls I never seen much if any increase in MPG.

 

[JDiepstra]

Yes, I am disappointed. I just figure it's better than loseing a cylinder because of a hung up injector, also I have read some horror stories about usage of biodiesel. bg

Yes I have also read horror stories about biodiesel. That is why I run it in small amounts, and purchase it from a reputable location. I'm not gonna be putting the stuff from "a guy I know who gets it from a buddy down the street from him who makes it in his garage" into my tank!



And yes of course it is better to run 2 cycle than ruin your engine!

 

[B.G. Smith]

Not recommended as per owners manual. I have never seen proof that it helps anything live longer where it's not called for. Alot of guys/gals on other forums speak highly of it in older mechanical injection systems. I see no reason or proof that it needs to used in CR systems. As for the other websites, that's why I come here to get the right answers.

I would think that if chrysler corp. recommended it that they would be admitting that something was not quiet right with the CRpump/injectors leaving themselves open to litigation. Does anyone recommend it? Yes, the service manager at my dealership. bg

 

[Grumpy John 4x4]

205,000 miles on my 1994 12 valve 2500 4X4 every fill up I dump a quart of ATS trans fluid purr"s like a cat Keeps up with the traffic Thanks to Old Man Bob 4X4

 

[JDiepstra]

I would think that if

chrysler

corp. recommended it that they would be admitting that something was not quiet right with the CRpump/injectors leaving themselves open to litigation. Does anyone recommend it? Yes, the service manager at my dealership. bg

And we all know how smart and wonderfully helpful "service" managers are at dealerships! :-laf

 

[ZBrooks]

I have no idea why some of you insist on putting oil or fluids in an engine that wasn't designed to burn it. I will never put 2-stroke oil or atf in my tank. At least no one has said they use old motor oil. There's an article in the latest issue addressing this very topic.



I do, however, support the use of biodiesel. I make fuel that puts the crap at the pump to shame. The vast majority of issues people have with biodiesel are from using bio made by someone that didn't know what they were doing.

 

[pwr2tow]

I would think that if
chrysler
corp. recommended it that they would be admitting that something was not quiet right with the CRpump/injectors leaving themselves open to litigation. Does anyone recommend it? Yes, the service manager at my dealership. bg

Chrysler would not open themselves to law suits, they don't recommend any additives, recommending additives could lead to some people using things that are not designed to run in their injection systems. By not recommending additives their saying their injection system does not need it and using additives is at your own risk.

Could it be because your service manager doesn't know how to trouble shoot a problem!! I've already mentioned in a previous post to you what your problem with your truck could be.

Alot of other guys recommend 2 stroke oil in fuel, there's even a Dorkweed on another site along with his conspiracy high school labratory evaluations website leader on a different diesel website that has all the proof you should use it. I've even used on my older mechanical injection and carburator engines, doesn't make it right. Research, keep an open mind, use your god given common sence, and then make a decision. What was once acceptable practices of yesteryear are alot of times a big NO, NO today. I'am not telling you not to use 2 stroke but if it's curing a problem then the problem needs to adressed.

Modern ATF in a CR or any injection system but especially a CR system is just plain asking for problems. Modern ATF, not yesteryear ATF that stuff was O. K. to use but todays ATF has all kinds of additives that can destroy an injection system over time. Used once, twice, three times more than likely will not harm much but used religiously over time will destroy a modern injection system. Modern ATF's additive package is designed to help ATF not to burn.