I've been challenged to a pulloff!!!!!!!!!

[DaveN]

I was at a cookoff the other night with a few friends, and after a few beers a friend who just bought a PSD started shooting off at the mouth about Ford power, blah blah blah. Well I'd had a few beers and so to make a long story short, we're going to hook up a chain on dry pavement and let 'er rip. We're both bone stock with no mods, both auto's and both have similar tires/gearing. We would have done it on the spot but I didn't have my truck.

Now I know this isn't the greatest idea in the world, but does anyone have any suggestions? I REALLY REALLY don't want to lose, there will be a big audience (all of my friends) and an awful lot of pride on the line.

I think we will be alright in 2WD, I'd imagine that I would spin tires before I broke anything, but is 4WD too much on the transfer case? How about 4LOW?

Thanks-


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[Steve St.Laurent]

Lower the pressure on your rear tires which will give you a bigger foot print, down to say 25 psi or so. Whatever you do, do not let off the accelerator completely if he starts pulling you backwards - that's how the Dodge auto got broke in the pull off with the Duramax. If it were me I'd slip the transmission into neutral before backing out of it given what happened in that pull off. Also, any weight you can put on the rear end will help with traction too, if you want to be stealth about it you could hide it on top of the spare tire #ad
! Also, the higher your hook point compared to his the better. Good luck - let us know how it turns out!



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[EMDDIESEL]

Take your aircleaner out, that will help a little and wont hurt anything for just the pulloff. Also, ask another TDR memeber how to kill the wastegate. I would even consider borrowing a box from someone and hiding it to give you an extra edge. That is one race you DONT want to lose

 

[BV]

I wouldn't take the air cleaner out if there is the pull off is in a dusty/dirty area.

Have you thought about filling the spare tire with that calcium whatever it is that farmers use to weight their tractors down?
You might accidently let your buddy loose traction first then start pulling slowly.

BTW - 4 low on dry pavement is hard on the drivetrain but it leaves some nice black marks #ad

 

[Vaman]

Dave,

One word for you buddy... . camcorder.

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[csutton7]

are ya using chains or straps--either way put something-like a blanket over the chain/strap just in case it breaks--this will help to prevent the chain/strap from launching itself into something or someone--good luck--chris

 

[WKener]

I totally agree with Chris here, make sure you put something over the cable, even if it's just a floormat of a jacket or something, otherwise if the cable breaks or comes unhooked it wont crash into your tailgate or come flying through the back window...

 

[Archive]

I agree with the above posts... weight, tires, and point of attachment are all important factors...
The sad part about pulloffs is that the winner isn't necessarily the most powerful.

Have fun, but be good to the Ram!

 

[DaveN]

Thanks for the input guys - a couple of other questions -

What happens when you let off the gas when getting pulled in reverse? How does that smoke your transmission?

Brake torque before launch yes or no?

Any comments on 4 low?



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2001. 5 2500 4WD Auto QC 3. 54 Loaded except Leather

 

[K_Arts]

Maybe this is kinda off the subject a little. . but what is the differential of the brand F? Most likely he is a 3. 73, so how do you make up for the extra low end that he has? Also, being bone stock. . isn't the Brand F going to have an advantage? I know that stock a PDS will take a Dodge off of the line... but how does that corilate to power on the ground?

Kev

 

[hammong]

Chain safety may be an issue with these big monster trucks. Considering the weakest link will be your traction, you could be applying as much as 6000-8000 lbs of tension before one of you breaks loose.

Back in the day when we used to pull-off our trucks, we had the entire chain wrapped with an old carpet and taped-around with duct tape. The chain DID break one time, one truck launched forward with considerable speed, and the chain just went floppy on the ground. W/o the padding on the chain, it could have whiplashed right through the back window of one of the trucks, or smack into the tailgate at the least.

Be careful - and most importantly, OUT PULL THAT 'STROKE!

Greg


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[K_Arts]

You know. . the more I think about it... is a pull off the answer? Why take the chance of damaging either vehicle?

Why don't both of you load up a trailer with 10,000lbs and have a real pull off? Show that PSD what kind of power he wishes he had.

Kev

 

[EMDDIESEL]

I can ship you a Locomotive tow chain if you need it. It is about 15 feet long and weighs about 100LBS should be more then enough to hold you two guys togther

 

[moparguy]

DaveN, first of all "Good Luck". Now, a few thoughts, the winner will be the truck that weighs the most, and has the stickest tires. And of course dosen't lose traction first. You'll each likely have the necessary power to pull the other,,,,,if you can stay hooked up. From what I've read on the Ford site, your bud's truck may weigh more than yours. Hope not. If you can add any stealth weigh to the Ram, that'll help. Also, if you pull from your receiver hitch, make sure that it doesn't have any drop to it. Or, best is to use a drop hitch and turn it over. But if the other guy or his friends know anything, they'll yell fowl.

On the 4WD low issue. If I wanted to win, that's where I'd be. If you worry about breaking stuff, you shouldn't be racing, make that pulling.

Had a thought on the stealth weight thing. Go down to the local metal supply house, have a fork lift place a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" steel plate in the back of the lit'l Ram, then cover it with a rubber matt. You will win, if you can pull this off.

Again, good luck.

[This message has been edited by moparguy (edited 05-07-2001). ]

 

[Ethdee]

Moparguy's comment about the stealth weight is excellent. Give that some serious consideration. All the other comments are spot-on, to, IMHO.

Safety has got to be paramount here. Take every precaution. There's no reason to put anyone in danger, and with the forces you'll be putting on that chain or sling, there's a lot of potential for damage. Either way, make sure it's taut before putting your foot through the floorboard.

Personally, I'd recommend staying in 4-Hi. Going to low range is just going to multiply the gearing advantage the Ford already has (bad for you), and with all that traction and all that gearing, you're just begging to break something expen$ive.

I'd definitely power-brake it to get the boost up. Probably, whoever moves backwards first will be the loser.

When is this monumental event to occur? Don't forget the handycam!

Jim

 

[work2muchplay2little]

DaveN, couple of thoughts. Inertia (weight) and traction are the keys here. Both trucks likely have the ability to break the tires loose. Is his truck a 4x4? Does he have a limited slip diff? Is he running stock tires? Can this event take place on a dirt surface? Would definitely be easier on both of your trucks. If on dirt, you could use off road tires, OEM size, to increase your traction (call them winter tires if your spouse objects). Extra weight will work in your favor too, the more the better. I would favor 4x4 hi also.

Good luck, can't wait to see the pictures of you winning #ad


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[This message has been edited by work2muchplay2little (edited 05-07-2001). ]

 

[Big MAK]

Ask the sled pullers -- when I asked prior to pulling a sled they all said 4Lo in 3rd. So that's what I'd recommend -- 4Lo with a 3rd gear launch. Pulled the sled really well too. That should give you enough RPM to get him sliding; it's not speed you're after.

Definitely weight the chain !!!! or risk decapitation or other dismemberment of yourselve or a spectator (no kidding).

Good Luck! Should be reasonably safe with a weighted chain. Breaking something isn't out of the question -- pay to play.


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[Tom C]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent:
the higher your hook point compared to his the better.

If you can get your hook point above his you will be pulling up on his rearend which will make him loose traction.

play safe and good luck

[This message has been edited by Tom C (edited 05-07-2001). ]

 

[Bigsaint]

My advice, not that you asked, is DON'T DO IT !!! Too many variables. Do you really want to risk damaging that brand new Ram ? Why not challenge him to a timed pull with the same trailer, i. e. , load a trailer up and pick a grade. You or he takes a run to the top, with a witness in the truck and with a stop watch, then the other goes. Alot less risk of damaging something you will surely regret in the end. If that's no good, then find a dyno and let the winner prevail. I'd rather spend $100. 00 on a dyno then who knows what for trans. or body repairs.

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[KeithW75]

I would very highly doubt that you would hurt anything at all with the truck being stock. The only thing that would damage anything is if you have slack in the chain and jerk it, then you might tear whatever your hooked too loose. If his truck is an F250 then I think you will outweigh him and tires will be the deciding factor. You won't need that much of a chain since you won't get more than about 5,000 lbs of force at the best on dry pavement. You would never achieve as much pull as your truck weighs.