Competition I've gotta stop doing this!!!

[Snow man]

I used to pick on poor defensless Mustangs,Camaros,and imports. After a while word gets around though,and no one will line up next to me anymore . Its kinda a good thing,its so much fun watching those performance cars fade away behind my work truck,LOL in a cloud of smoke. If I get the opportunity and its safe to do a little playing I usually will.

 

[Turbo_Bob]

Dont ever pick on my lil ol VW bug. I go up the cajon pass, 6% grade coming home from work. Turboed, EFI, water/methonal injection and at 2000 lbs. with me in it. Anything other than a rice bike or a exotic 80. 000 car will not walk away from this VW.

I also love my new Dodge truck which tows it to the races from time to time.

 

[Big MAK]

Hmmm. As a previous owner of one very fast Camaro SS let me say... not a chance! The Camaro SS would blow away a CTD pickup unless you're on a straight and have the CTD very heavily bombed -- or the other car just wasn't trying. Maybe a Camaro RS? The RS is the little six banger. The SS is the extremely fine LS1 325hp V8 in a supernaturally low drag coefficient package (albeit fairly heavy for a sports car). A stock Camaro SS will run in the high 12s in the 1/4 with decent tires and a good driver. It takes a whole lot of bombing to get a CTD pickup into that range (the drag coefficient). Now the Mustang; that's another matter; toasted lots of those in my bombed 98. 5. Although a Mustang Cobra would proably take all but the most bombed CTDs -- but GTs and 5. 0s are pretty weak. BMW M3s are other unaware pending victims of the mighty CTD.



Don't get me wrong... I like to toast sports cars in my truck! But I suspect that was an RS; not an SS. One letter -- big difference. It's really too bad they even put 6 bangers in the Camaros; gave a very good sports car a bad name among performance enthusiasts that didn't realize they were competing against a little six banger trying to propel a full size car. I've had the same conversation with the ricers that proclaim my SS was the first Camaro they couldn't blow the doors off of.

 

[jwilliams3]

Big Mak,

You might be surprised what some of these bombed Cummins trucks can do on the open road.

Remember alot of us have traction issues at the strip, but when were already doing 70mph or 60mph for that matter, its all about power!!

I dont see as much of the traction issue with the car scene, they are usually balanced much better.

Us 2wd guys have no weight in the rear end.



So a Camaro SS is not so big of a deal in my opinion.

You might want to check out Mike Tomacs' videos of his Duramax stickin it to many Mustang Gt's, Firebird's, and Camaros at the drag strip (with a 13 second duramax, now 12).



--Justin

 

[Snow man]

I agree with BIG MAK,my brother in law owned a 01 Camaro SS 6 speed up til 2 weeks ago. Let me tell you that car flat out hauls . I have raced him several times. With 490RWHP B1,drag comp and all other bolt ons i can hang with him for about 2 seconds when we roll on from 60 or so,then he just slowly walks away. Now with twin turbos and 55oRWHP, I can finally stay with him from a roll. in the full 1/4 mi street race. I used to get him to about 1100ft,and he would pass right by me at the end. His trap speed is 110MPH,mine was 103mph on fuel only. ,this was with the B1 large housing. He just sold the car,so I cant race him with twins in the 1/4. If he used his 150hp nitrous,and drag slicks he ran 12. 00 at 120. With my nitrous ,launching in 4wd, I ran 12. 20 at 109. 25. So he had me either way. I would beat him on the street though when he had his street tires,he just couldnt hook.

 

[Smokin Dodge]

You may be right about the Camaro SS being pretty fast, but that is what is was built for a 7500-8000 lb truck was not designed for so when I can get my daully to go from 0-60mph in 6. 5 sec and roll down the road with just about any 2500 to 3000lb sports car I think that is alot bigger feat than doing it in something that is suppose to go that fast.

 

[Big MAK]

Smokin Dodge -- I agree completely. Wonderful stealth factor -- I'm sure I've sent more then one sports car owner to the garage wondering what was wrong with his car seeing as how it couldn't blow away my CTD!

 

[Turbo_Bob]

I have one question about our trucks, I thought there is a MPH limiter set around 95 to 100 ? If so how can one drive faster than that. Also the red line is at 3200 RPM's so that limits the speed unless one has a overdrive unit.

 

[Smokin Dodge]

Mine is a 12 Valve there is no limiter except gear ratio and rpms. I have 3. 54s and 4000 rpms and the speedo only reads to 120 after that its just a guesstamit.

 

[snowracer69]

on the 24 valves I belive it's supposed to be limited at 114 MPH or so. Mine used to hit it and stop, but doesn't anymore and I don't know why... . no, I haven't cut the wire. I had my GPS up and on one day when I raced a guy with his new Neon and when I looked at my speedo it was burried at 120 and I stayed in it about 10 more seconds (pyro was burried too). GPS said 124 MPH was top speed. Have 3. 54 gears and was running 255/85's at the time, so I don't really know how that works out.



Josh

 

[TBeckman]

Camaro SS

Speaking as someone who has one of these, 2001 SS 6 Speed, you guys need to realize the potential of these cars. Not to mention are the easiest sleeper to make. Don't get to mad I have to stick up for it a little bit, I've had it longer than the ram.



First off, Z28 v SS, same drivetrain. The SS is a handling package, prob hurts acceleration with the added weight, increased rotational inertia of the wheels and tires, and that "ram air" that doens't work til about 80mph, even then it's useless, who runs a "cold air" intake through the hood of the car, yeah that'll stay real cold. GM engineers confuse me sometimes.



Out of the box, stock everything, my car ran a 13. 3 @ 108, with a 2. 2 60'. (I've heard of people dipping in the 12's stock, yet to have seen proof though) Now my 60' time sucked, first time at the strip, and I broke traction shifting through every gear going down the track, crappy tires. Throw a pair of drag radials and throw some 4. 10's in the car and it will run with you guys who are sitting mid 12's, this is with a car that dyno'd under 300 hp at the rear wheels, and has, at times, averaged 30 mpg on the highway. I'm not saying I drive the car perfect, but a couple of my buddies have these cars and I run . 2s faster than them, in their cars, so I'll say that I'm better than average with it. Maybe you guys just haven't found someone who can drive it. Although I have a little problem driving it after driving the 5 speed ram around, feels like I'm going to break stuff.



Throw a turbo on the camaro, making ~6psi, and the car jumps to an 11s quater mile, and is pushing ~450rwhp and ~650 ft*lbs. It will run the new viper at that point. Now I don't think the camaro will last long with that setup, aluminum motor(10. 25 compression and adding boost, that aluminum motor hasn't proved itself to me enough to do that to my car though), downgraded t56, smallest rear chevy ever put in anything, not to mention a unibody that twists under stock engine output. You have to do alot of work to these cars to make them handle the potential of that motor, think the ram has it a little better there. I've rolled up to a car with this done to it, couldn't tell it was turbo'd til to late.



Now enough of defending the car I'm trying to sell because I picked up my ram. As fast as the camaro is, I don't think there is much like a 7000# truck doing the same thing. I can't attest to this since my truck is stock, atleast until I sell the camaro and can afford the bug. Especially since my buddy with a turbo'd 6. 2 suburban think he can run with me, havne't raced, he's just going off of engine outputs. OK back to work

 

[Turbo_Bob]

Re: Camaro SS

Originally posted by TBeckman

Out of the box, stock everything, my car ran a 13. 3 @ 108, with a 2. 2 60'. (I've heard of people dipping in the 12's stock, yet to have seen proof though) Now my 60' time sucked, first time at the strip, and I broke traction shifting through every gear going down the track, crappy tires. Throw a pair of drag radials

Yes it is all in the 60' from a dead stop. Your car with drag radials should produce a 1. 8, 60' that equals a 12. 9 ET.

My bug with drag slicks does a 1. 48, 60'. Wheels up in first and second gear.

 

[TBeckman]

A bug cutting 11's with the wheels up through first and second, that's cool.

 

[mcoleman]

I have a friend that runs a low 11 second LS1 TA. He ran low 12. 80s with 4. 10s, exhaust, airlid, dragradials, and headers. It's broke 4 rearends and went through 2 clutches. I guess some day he will put a 12 bolt under it as it is now running 11. 4 at 125mph with Nitrous and a propane system on it. The heads have never been off the car and the cam is still stock. It's been raced since it was new in 98 so he plans on building a new engine with diamond pistons and better rods. The factory powdered metal rods are at their limit hp wise and he is going to be turning the wick up with fully ported heads, cam, and even more nitrous on the next engine. He is planning on running a 300hp shot or larger on the new engine. I think it will run low 10s anyway. But I still find a 7000 pound diesel truck in the 12s more impressive.

 

[TBeckman]

I'm not going to argue that a 7000# diesel is more impressive. It's something I'm looking foward to, and then leaving my buddy's camaro behind in a cloud of black smoke. But first I have to get rid of my camaro, it is taking up valuable wallet space.

 

[mcoleman]

Has anyone splained to you how contagious the bombing disease is. It's uncurable.

 

[TBeckman]

The bombing is uncurable, the K5 will never be finished, and there's a 68 barrcuda in the garage that's receiving a 440. Bombing is just the latest disease I've picked up.