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I have the dlr installed jake brake on my 04. 5. While it works fantastic it does have a "chirp" noise on activation or de-activation. It even quit working the other day for about 5 mins. Anyone having the same symptoms with this set-up? Gooing to the dlr next Tuesday. It was replaced once due to the noise. The noise isn't very loud but don't feel it should have any noise!



Larv :confused:
 
My 'Jake' hisses, squeels sometimes, and is always audible when working. Sometimes I think I have a vacuum leak (high pitched whistle), other times I suspect the gasket between the 'Jake' and exhaust manifold has a leak. However, the 'Jake' is never silent and always makes at least a hissing sound at the very least.



I am surprised your dealer installed your 'Jake' cause I am thinking they are still on hold from Cummins for whatever reasons unknown.
 
Jake-Brake noise

CBrittan, sounds like we have the same noise! I just want to verify that the noise is nothing to worry about. Just a little annoyin. I had the brake replaced shortly after I bought the truck in March this year. Have they stopped installation of these brakes? Any recalls? TSBs? :confused:



Larv
 
I am thinking about installing one on my 04. 5. Dont you have some kind of compressor that runs off the main drive belt?? Could that be the noise that you are hearing?
 
Jake Brake noise

Bombero, you are correct, the compressor does run off of the serpentine belt but they have to install a differrent belt. I popped the hood and had my bride cycle the on-off switch and the noise appears to be coming from the area of the brake itself. Larv :confused:
 
The noise is probably just the valve actuating to move the butterfly inside the elbow. I have the Pac Brake & hear it everytime I lift off the throttle. Normal noise, not to worry. Also when activated you get exhaust whistle as the ex gasses are restricted, that is what gives you the "brake"
 
jake brake noise

The "tech" found a kinked vacuum hose today. Seemed to fix it although I thought I heard it again. He also said not to use the brake around town very much as it could damage the turbo. Better to use it when towing. Another tech (diff dlr) said to use it all the time would wear it out faster. I paid a healthy sum of $$$ intending to use the damn thing when I wanted to!



Anyone else use their brake all the time? :confused:



Larv
 
Anyone else use their brake all the time?



Larv



Use your brake all you want!



On my 99 I used mine all the time! It worked perfectly for the 56k miles that I had it.



These "tech's" full of it!!!!!!!!!! :-{}
 
Larv said:
I have the dlr installed jake brake on my 04. 5. While it works fantastic it does have a "chirp" noise on activation or de-activation. It even quit working the other day for about 5 mins. Anyone having the same symptoms with this set-up?

Larv :confused:



I have the same chirp when the brake deactivates. It sounds a lot like the belt chirp you sometimes hear when shutting off the engine, only shorter and not nearly as loud.
 
A couple of you mentioned that you might have a leak on your jacobs brake between the brake and the turbo... . there is a problem with some of these... I'd suggest that you check the clamp between the brake and turbo... . if you see soot... see your dealer... if the clamp is loose tighten it up... because of the heat / cooling cycle the clamp needs to be checked at least once about 200 miles after installation... .



When we install the PacBrake we suggest that if the customer is local for us. . we do it as a service... . and he bring the truck back... .



If you have any questions please feel free to ask... .



Jim
 
This is my email to Jacobs and somehow I received an answer from Cummins... ..... Larv





Details:

I have a 2004. 5 Dodge Cummins with your dlr. installed Jake brake. My

question is this: Some of the Dodge technicians (mechanics) have told me it isn't a

good idea to leave the Jake brake activated all the time (every day driving)

as I do. They tell me that will shorten the life of the Jake but they were all

pretty vague about it. One tech even told me that by doing that it could

damage the turbo.



What is your opinion on this issue?



Thanks in advance for your time!





And the answer from Cummins... ...









Summary: 04 Dodge Exhaust Brake



Solution:

Thanks for your Email message.



Not sure how you managed to get an exhaust brake installed, since Dodge does not approve them.



Cummins builds the diesel engines for DaimlerChrysler and Dodge supplies all the other components to build their trucks. Dodge previously did not approve the use of exhaust brakes on their trucks with automatic transmissions and in August 2004, advised that they have discontinued approval of exhaust brakes on any trucks.



Dodge handles all warranties on their Dodge Ram trucks with diesel engines and they have advised that exhaust brakes are not approved by Dodge. For more information about the Dodge product, we suggest Dodge customers, contact Dodge at:



"www.4adodge.com" or 1-800-992-1997 (DaimlerChrysler Customer Service).



As far as running all the time with the brake switch on, we have also heard both arguments on which is the best way to operate the exhaust brake. In our opinion, it is probably best to only use it when necessary, since Dodge no longer approves their use.



All exhaust brakes are basically a 'flapper' type, butterfly valve installed in the exhaust system, usually right after or behind the turbocharger. These brakes can be operated manually or can be set up to operate automatically. If the brake is not set up for automatic operation it is just a matter of flipping a switch on the dash to close the valve.



The exhaust brake switch needs to be turned on (valve closed), at the top of a hill, then as the vehicle proceeds down the hill, engine rpm and manifold pressures increase and the back pressure created by the exhaust brake helps hold the vehicle speed under control during downhill operation. Near the bottom of the hill or if automatic, when the vehicle accelerator is activated again, the valve in the exhaust brake should open for normal backpressure operation.



Exhaust brakes are designed to slow the vehicle during downhill operation. For instance, when you come to a steep downhill grade with a loaded truck, the brake should be engaged to keep the engine from overspeeding down the hill and to keep the vehicle speed under control. The use of an exhaust brake is not necessary during light or no load, operating on level or nearly level terrain.



The thing that makes the brake most effective is the amount of cylinder pressure that is being expelled out the exhaust. Therefore, to create high backpressure, the engine must have high manifold pressure and the only way you get that is at high rpm, such as going down a steep hill.



Applying the exhaust brake at low rpm, where there is little or no manifold pressure does not create any braking effort. The highest braking effort will be at 2500 to 2700 rpm or so on 12 valve mechanical engines and 3000 to 3200 rpm on 24 valve electronic engines, ie. high rpm = high manifold pressure = maximum braking effort.



One word of caution here, however, is to not let the engine rpm go too high. If rpm exceeds the rated speed for the engine, there could be major engine damage if the valves hit the pistons, so the maximum rpm should be kept at or below the rated speed of the engine. The normal use of an exhaust brake will have no detrimental effect on the life of a Cummins engine.



We thank you for your interest in Cummins products. Please let us know if you need assistance in locating the nearest Cummins-authorized Dealer or Distributor Service Provider. For assistance in locating a Service Provider, feel free to use Cummins North America Dealer Locator, which can be found on Cummins website:

http://www.cummins.com/service_locator/index.cfm



Please let us know if you have other questions and if away from your computer or have a time-critical request that needs more urgent attention, feel free to call us toll-free (from North America) at 1-800-DIESELS (343-7357).



Email direct: -- email address removed --



Regards,

--

Powermaster

Customer Assistance Center

Cummins, Inc.

Columbus, Indiana, USA



Dodge does not approve them? What the he!!?



Larv
 
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jake brake noise

>>>>>>>>>Klenger, I called another dlr after getting this reply and they do still install them as I figured they did. That svc mgr also saw no problem with leaving it on all the time so I do.



I did read somewhere (can't remember where now) that the brake should be turned off before turning off the motor or starting it. :confused:



Larv
 
> Anyone else use their brake all the time?



The advice I got from Jacobs Tech Support was to use the exhaust brake all the time; that's also the advice that I got from Cummins Rocky Mountain in Denver (who installed my exhaust brake). The Jacobs technician summarized it as, "Use it or lose it. " It seems that the butterfly can carbon up and stick if it's not regularly exercised. There's an added bonus in that you save wear on your service brakes.



Regarding turning the brake off for starting or stopping the engine, there is an interlock (on the Jacobs unit) that is vacuum actuated. The brake can't engage until the engine has started and vacuum is being produced by the pump. Even then there's a brief delay before it engages. Jacobs also points out that having the exhaust brake on at idle helps to bring the engine up to temperature more quickly.



The bottom line: Just turn it on and leave it on. The only time I ever turned mine off was on long downgrades when I didn't want it activating and occasionally on very icy roads.



Tom Christian

Fort Collins, CO
 
Larv,



Here's a follow-up to the exhaust brake availability situation. I received the following reply from Dodge in response to a question about availability:



Thanks for the email regarding available options for the Dodge Ram.



While I am not able to get into specifics on why any particular option

is or is not available, there are no immediate plans to make an exhaust

brake available for the vehicle you have ordered.



I'm sorry I can't give you more encouraging news.



Your message just adds fuel to the fire. What worries me is that there appears to be NO commitment to fixing the problem, something the 48RE transmission owners will understand full well.



Don't know if you've followed our story, but our local Dodge dealer eventually told us to come pick up our deposit check after they concluded that they couldn't deliver the truck we had ordered. There's a lengthy discussion elsewhere about what exhaust brakes are, are not and may be approved for installation on Dodge trucks. There is no compelling evidence that anything is approved at the present time, and a Cummins engine without an exhaust brake is not acceptable for towing in the mountains. We ended up buying a 2005 Ford F-350.



Interestingly, our dealer elected to keep our truck coming since they liked the way we equipped it (a loaded Laramie) and felt certain they could sell it easily. It should be -- or perhaps should have been -- arriving from Mexico just about now. There's some possibility it was on the train that derailed with $1M worth of Dodge trucks on it.



Do you ever wonder if there's a higher force at work somewhere?



Tom Christian

Fort Collins, CO
 
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