Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Jammer or F1 EDM's??

[HookMeUp]

Looking at getting some different injectors. Trying to decide between the jammers of the F1's. And which size would be the best to get, Mach 1, Mach 1. 6, Stage 1, or Stage 2. I plan on keeping the stock Turbo, so I would want to stay inside the parameters of that.

 

[GEdwards]

I pretty much have the same truck with same mods



I am adding the Juice w/Attitude and I am debating the same thing



I am leaning towards the Jammer IIs for cost reasons. Thinkin the IIIs might be too much.



I would be going with the 1. 6s if I could actually find a good deal on them.

 

[HookMeUp]

I was leaning towards the Jammers also. Just can't make up my mind weather to with stage 1 or stage 2. Anyone running either of these? How are EGT's?

 

[Renoram]

I just went with the Jammer II's a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty much stock except with the Edge Comp untapped. Egt & boost is higher. Definitely noticable difference from stock & comp stage I setting. No more smoke than stock. I'm happy. I'd go with the II's- 20 more hp for $34

 

[KLockliear]

PMcBride, you might also consider something electronic for your first power upgrade (nothing listed in your sig anyway). You'll need the boost fooling abilities of a box (EZ, Comp, Juice/Attitude from the Edge camp). Add a Comp or a Juice/Attitude, and that will be the max with the stock turbo. Injectors on top of one of those will need a bigger turbo to support the EGT.

 

[Fishin Guide]

Looking at getting some different injectors. Trying to decide between the jammers of the F1's. And which size would be the best to get, Mach 1, Mach 1. 6, Stage 1, or Stage 2. I plan on keeping the stock Turbo, so I would want to stay inside the parameters of that.

Mach 2s. HOs love thier injectors. You could always add a box to serve as a boost fooler.



Personally, I would do a Smarty first. This will give you a better platform to tune future mods from. Add some Mach series injectors to match your needs after the Smarty and you'll be all smiles!! It has a boost foolre built in. And you'll have the base programming to work with virtually any box. I would stay away from Edge or rebadged Edge stuff as it seems to have a very high failure rate. Don't ask me how I know.



My old school Catcher and M4's makes 400 HP. Too much for a stock turbo, but I drove it for a long time on a PDR35 with the same 12cm housing you have. So, it can be done.



Start with the Smarty. Then add the sticks of choice. Best part is you can call Rip at Source Automotive =====> Click here for everything. Absolutely one of the best vendors out there!!



Dave

 

[NoSeeUm]

The Smarty will give you off the pedal performance right out of the batters box. Its not Hp thunder, but its A+ on driveablility. Built in boost fooler and fuels all the way to 3400 RPM.



Jim

 

[nps]

I've got an EZ and Jammer 2's. EZ was first. Definitely agree with the recommendation to go with a Smarty first and then look to injectors.

 

[HookMeUp]

Mach 2s. HOs love thier injectors. You could always add a box to serve as a boost fooler.



Personally, I would do a Smarty first. This will give you a better platform to tune future mods from. Add some Mach series injectors to match your needs after the Smarty and you'll be all smiles!! It has a boost foolre built in. And you'll have the base programming to work with virtually any box. I would stay away from Edge or rebadged Edge stuff as it seems to have a very high failure rate. Don't ask me how I know.



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Dave

So if I go with the smarty for now and then later with the Mach 1. 6's I should be ok with the stock turbo for awhile??

 

[darkhorse]

So if I go with the smarty for now and then later with the Mach 1. 6's I should be ok with the stock turbo for awhile??

I ran that way for quite a while. No real problems. Just remember to set your waste gate at 35 psi.

 

[Jefff929]

I've got an EZ and Jammer 2's. EZ was first. Definitely agree with the recommendation to go with a Smarty first and then look to injectors.

dang! same here. same advise too.

 

[HookMeUp]

Thanks to everyone for the input. Now all I need is to save my pennies and get the Smarty! Wife's getting tired of me buying stuff for the truck while her '68 Cuda sits in the driveway looking looking sad.

 

[nps]

No problem with the Cuda - I'll come pick it up and get it out of your hair. Won't even charge you a tow fee. :-laf

 

[RowJ]

... You'll need the boost fooling abilities of a box.....

Not really! He has an 02. The 01's & 02's DO NOT defuel if overboosted! May throw a code but will not defuel.

I got this in writting from Marco (Smarty) and have seen the proof on an 01. According to him, it's a myth (assumption) based on the fact that all earlier years did defuel with high boost.



I too recommend the Smarty as the first power upgrade. Can't beat it... as only upgrade or if adding more later!



RJ

 

[KLockliear]

I would disagree with that RowJ.



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[EBung]

I would disagree with that RowJ.



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I'll definitly second that. Marco is one sharp cat but my truck defuels with Comp unhooked but it never has set a code for overboost even though it will hit 28lbs.

 

[Fishin Guide]

Not really! He has an 02. The 01's & 02's DO NOT defuel if overboosted! May throw a code but will not defuel.

I got this in writting from Marco (Smarty) and have seen the proof on an 01. According to him, it's a myth (assumption) based on the fact that all earlier years did defuel with high boost.



I too recommend the Smarty as the first power upgrade. Can't beat it... as only upgrade or if adding more later!



RJ

you must have had a special truck. My '02 defueled so hard I thought the turbo was going to eat itself.



Dave

 

[NoSeeUm]

I have tried to find a good HX35 map, but they seem rare and well guarded. The one I did find showed that 30 psi was the 60% line at the top. Of course, this was a venders map for the HX35 so the sales people might have doctored the chart some.



Doing some of my own TESTING, it showed that a 5 psi increase in boost did not lower my EGT. Maybe with the M1. 6's this would be different?



{snip}

Looking at the Holset site about the HX35 it says this.

Designed primarily for 6 cylinder engines of 5. 0 to 6. 5 litre capacity, the HX35 turbocharger has higher flow aerodynamics capable of providing up to 0. 46 kg/s at 3. 0:1 pressure ratio.

796 CFM = . 46 kg/sec

29. 38 psi = 3. 0 PR



This really confirms to me that the HX35 is going off the map at 30 psi. As far as the engine goes at 30 psi boost (. 9 VE) and 2700 RPM its using about 770 CFM so that seems a pretty good match up.



Jim

 

[RowJ]

You guys have me confused?



I sold my Mach 2's to a friend with an 01, 5 spd, SO and it drove great. 6 months later, he added gauges and found he was getting 31 psi boost max.

I drove this truck for 2 days and it never defueled over 21+/- psi.

We were confused about no defueling and I pm'ed Marco asking if my friend having tried my Smarty left the Boost Fooler in place... like it does the "High Idle"?



That's when he answered the following...

"The newer softwares have never defueled! Only hype. The older ones did that... . 98. 5/99/00 softwares do defuel and Smarty cures it, the 01 and up do not have the defueling... "



Would not agree so strongly with Marco if I had not seen it personally on the mentioned 01?????



RJ

 

[nps]

Maybe your friend's truck already had a Catcher ECM on it.