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This is the best article I have read on the Super Bowl Half Time:
A Half-Witted NFL?
Wasted resource.
Michael Novak
A confession: One of the things I have enjoyed about Europe is that at poolside, at the beach, and on the shore of Swiss lakes, European women unselfconsciously remove their tops to absorb the sun. The men seem to be unselfconscious about it, too. For myself, the first two or three times I had difficulty breathing. Like all difficult things, one gets used to it.
So the sight of Janet Jackson's bare breast during the NFL halftime show Sunday cannot be said to have shocked me. But the firestorm it has ignited across the nation may concentrate attention on what a colossal moral waste the NFL halftime shows have been for years and years, one or two seasons excepted.
Football is a great game of hard work, sacrifice, the endurance of pain, precision, discipline, the love of brothers for one another, guts, spirit, the will to overcome adversity, and intense and sustained determination. Why, then, has the NFL been so dense as to allow its halftime show, year after year, to be a celebration of decadence and degradation?
If the moral morons the NFL hires to produce these shows set out to dramatize the last days of the Roman empire in all its legendary sickness, what would they do differently? Who are these seemingly drugged, indifferent, writhing pagan figures they now throw around the platform? These are not living human beings in action, these are sacks of flesh, writhing, grinding, pawing, acting out no higher appeal than bodily functions. They evoke no virtues of the human spirit. It is as if they wish to suffocate any spark of Jewish or Christian womanhood and manhood. It is as if they mean to corrupt, seduce, degrade. A more radically anti-Jewish and anti-Christian assault, embodying the sort of Wagnerian images of pagan disgust and decay that enraptured Hitlerian audiences, would be hard for them to produce.
Why does the NFL do this? Why do they want to dramatize in corrupt "art" the very opposite of what they dramatize on the field, in the inherent beauty of football itself? Why do they turn halftime over to people who loathe every virtue football stands for and depends on?
There are so many beautiful events in the history of our nation that our children and our families deserve to know, so many glorious episodes to dramatize. Why doesn't the NFL stage a ten-year sequence of halftime shows that tell the great story of the Founding of our nation? For this story embodies all the virtues required by championship football, and many others besides.
And it can be done, beautifully and affectingly. One year (was it the Super Bowl after 9/11?), the NFL did stage a very moving tribute to the American Founding and its basic documents; I remember Jack Kemp, among others, reading those resonant words, in a decorous and solemn setting that filled all who saw it with resolve and purpose. But this may have been a film produced in advance, and shown only in the stadium, with pageant and color in silent motion spread out below the giant stadium screens. It may even have been only the pre-game show.
Our historians, novelists, dramatists, songwriters, and choreographers have certainly given us a rich mine of works that are the proper heritage of all our people. Why could these not be presented before worldwide audiences? Why can't the NFL support the Herculean struggles of besieged families, and overworked schools, against the horrid drudge of a sick popular culture, and help parents and teachers to fire the imaginations of our children with ennobling images of greatness and achievement? Why does the NFL put our families through the sludge of an exhausted, desperate pagan culture that is going nowhere, and celebrates losers and freaks? Our families have enough enemies to fight through. Must they also fight the NFL?
On a deeper level, why does the NFL go against its own nature, beliefs, and strengths? Why does it embarrass and demean itself?
For no other event during the year are more Americans focused together on the same liturgical celebration, especially as families, than at Super Bowl halftime. An NFL halftime should feed our minds and souls, and our sense of nobility and beauty, and remain forever a memory cherished by children and families alike.
Until now, halftime has been a cultural waste. A broken cistern, yielding no water. A ruin. It speaks ill of the producers who imagined it and set it before us.
Could not say it better.
Cary
A Half-Witted NFL?
Wasted resource.
Michael Novak
A confession: One of the things I have enjoyed about Europe is that at poolside, at the beach, and on the shore of Swiss lakes, European women unselfconsciously remove their tops to absorb the sun. The men seem to be unselfconscious about it, too. For myself, the first two or three times I had difficulty breathing. Like all difficult things, one gets used to it.
So the sight of Janet Jackson's bare breast during the NFL halftime show Sunday cannot be said to have shocked me. But the firestorm it has ignited across the nation may concentrate attention on what a colossal moral waste the NFL halftime shows have been for years and years, one or two seasons excepted.
Football is a great game of hard work, sacrifice, the endurance of pain, precision, discipline, the love of brothers for one another, guts, spirit, the will to overcome adversity, and intense and sustained determination. Why, then, has the NFL been so dense as to allow its halftime show, year after year, to be a celebration of decadence and degradation?
If the moral morons the NFL hires to produce these shows set out to dramatize the last days of the Roman empire in all its legendary sickness, what would they do differently? Who are these seemingly drugged, indifferent, writhing pagan figures they now throw around the platform? These are not living human beings in action, these are sacks of flesh, writhing, grinding, pawing, acting out no higher appeal than bodily functions. They evoke no virtues of the human spirit. It is as if they wish to suffocate any spark of Jewish or Christian womanhood and manhood. It is as if they mean to corrupt, seduce, degrade. A more radically anti-Jewish and anti-Christian assault, embodying the sort of Wagnerian images of pagan disgust and decay that enraptured Hitlerian audiences, would be hard for them to produce.
Why does the NFL do this? Why do they want to dramatize in corrupt "art" the very opposite of what they dramatize on the field, in the inherent beauty of football itself? Why do they turn halftime over to people who loathe every virtue football stands for and depends on?
There are so many beautiful events in the history of our nation that our children and our families deserve to know, so many glorious episodes to dramatize. Why doesn't the NFL stage a ten-year sequence of halftime shows that tell the great story of the Founding of our nation? For this story embodies all the virtues required by championship football, and many others besides.
And it can be done, beautifully and affectingly. One year (was it the Super Bowl after 9/11?), the NFL did stage a very moving tribute to the American Founding and its basic documents; I remember Jack Kemp, among others, reading those resonant words, in a decorous and solemn setting that filled all who saw it with resolve and purpose. But this may have been a film produced in advance, and shown only in the stadium, with pageant and color in silent motion spread out below the giant stadium screens. It may even have been only the pre-game show.
Our historians, novelists, dramatists, songwriters, and choreographers have certainly given us a rich mine of works that are the proper heritage of all our people. Why could these not be presented before worldwide audiences? Why can't the NFL support the Herculean struggles of besieged families, and overworked schools, against the horrid drudge of a sick popular culture, and help parents and teachers to fire the imaginations of our children with ennobling images of greatness and achievement? Why does the NFL put our families through the sludge of an exhausted, desperate pagan culture that is going nowhere, and celebrates losers and freaks? Our families have enough enemies to fight through. Must they also fight the NFL?
On a deeper level, why does the NFL go against its own nature, beliefs, and strengths? Why does it embarrass and demean itself?
For no other event during the year are more Americans focused together on the same liturgical celebration, especially as families, than at Super Bowl halftime. An NFL halftime should feed our minds and souls, and our sense of nobility and beauty, and remain forever a memory cherished by children and families alike.
Until now, halftime has been a cultural waste. A broken cistern, yielding no water. A ruin. It speaks ill of the producers who imagined it and set it before us.
Could not say it better.
Cary
IT was just a boob. Last time I looked men and women have basically the same chest. Women just have more skin! I admit the halftime show sucked, it usaully does. But come on people! Should we be like the Taliban, cover up women entirely? I think there should be more bare breasts on TV. Ever watch According To Jim? Belushi takes his shirt off everyother episode! He has man boobs! That's on prime time TV, but you never hear any one gripe about that. It's just skin.
Pagan??? These were earthbound country bumpkins back before the Romans so kindly expressed Christianity to them. The ones who weren't killed by the Romans and who converted to Christianity lived to pass on to their children the basic roots of the Pagan faith. They were poor people who lived quietly in their Irish backwoods. A far cry from the jungle boogy that goes on during superbowl halftime shows. You might lend an ear to a female musical artist who goes by the name "Enya". This is what Pagan music sounds like. She is Celtic. Pagan covers several different basic earthbound religions. Witches were spiritual and herbal healers. Christians made them out to be evil Satan worshipers. "How do you worship something you don't believe exists and have never even heard of?" So the writer has chosen a scape-goat totally opposite of the primates that jump around on stage during half time.
Mike Ellis
TDR MEMBER
Many seem to have the "it was only a boob, big deal" view of the situation. Those who were watching with kiddos though have EVERY RIGHT to expect fair warning that something of that sort is going to be shown. Whether you agree with American society's somewhat prudish view of nudity or not, the stunt at the Super Bowl was outside of current television standards and would NOT have been allowed by the network and Super Bowl authorities had they known.
Is a glimpse of Janet Jackson's boob a big deal? Depends on who and where you are:
- If you are an impressionable child, talking about it at school the next day can get you kicked out under "zero tolerance" policies on sexual harassment
- If you are a woman at work, school, or public accommodation, the boob can take on mysterious powers and transform your immediate surroundings into a "hostile environment", allowing you to file a big lawsuit and retire
- If you are a man at work, school, or public accommodation, talking about the boob, looking up a picture of it, or having a magazine etc with the picture in it can get you FIRED or SUED.
Reckon where you stand on the issue depends in part on where you happen to be sitting.
Is a glimpse of Janet Jackson's boob a big deal? Depends on who and where you are:
- If you are an impressionable child, talking about it at school the next day can get you kicked out under "zero tolerance" policies on sexual harassment
- If you are a woman at work, school, or public accommodation, the boob can take on mysterious powers and transform your immediate surroundings into a "hostile environment", allowing you to file a big lawsuit and retire
- If you are a man at work, school, or public accommodation, talking about the boob, looking up a picture of it, or having a magazine etc with the picture in it can get you FIRED or SUED.
Reckon where you stand on the issue depends in part on where you happen to be sitting.
You got that one right, Mike, typical Liberal spin, ok for them, but don't you do it.
I like boobs as much as the next guy, I don't have kids, and don't watch the superbowl (ball sports blow, hockey is where it's at, they still play the game 
). BUT, I agree that it was inapropriate for national TV, much like alot of the shows nowadays I believe they should have ratings. Just because one person doesn't mind nudity, violence, and cursing, there are others that don't want to see it/hear it.
Rob
). BUT, I agree that it was inapropriate for national TV, much like alot of the shows nowadays I believe they should have ratings. Just because one person doesn't mind nudity, violence, and cursing, there are others that don't want to see it/hear it. Rob
Don't get me wrong I like boobs. I just thought that Michael Novak said it very elegant. Sports has become something else. Luckily my son is 19 and I don't need to explain it like during the Clinton days. With the amount of enlargement junk mail I get..... is it 3 inches in length or width? 
Just be careful out there.
Cary
Luckily my son is 19 and I don't need to explain it like during the Clinton days. With the amount of enlargement junk mail I get..... is it 3 inches in length or width? Just be careful out there. Cary
And while we're on this subject (sorta) I have a problem with TV shows showing graphic hacking up of people on the medical shows. I'm not talking about ER, but llike the shows on the Learning Chanel, when they REALLY are chopping into someone.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a weak stomach, I can gut a deer or any other critter while eating a bolgna sandwich, or ride any rolly coaster while I drink a beer, but human gore (other than my own) make's me ill.
Don't get me started on the "live birth" shows either, I don''t care if it's natural or not, sex is natural and they don't show that on TV(not as graphic anyway). Chances are I'm just sitting down to dinner, turn on the tube, and WHAM, someone is getting their liver extracted, or squishin out a slimy kid while screeming bloody murder, not my idea of prime time, more like puke time. :{
Rob
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a weak stomach, I can gut a deer or any other critter while eating a bolgna sandwich, or ride any rolly coaster while I drink a beer, but human gore (other than my own) make's me ill.
Don't get me started on the "live birth" shows either, I don''t care if it's natural or not, sex is natural and they don't show that on TV(not as graphic anyway). Chances are I'm just sitting down to dinner, turn on the tube, and WHAM, someone is getting their liver extracted, or squishin out a slimy kid while screeming bloody murder, not my idea of prime time, more like puke time. :{
Rob
LMAO - and not to mention the gorey stories in chat, eh Rob? LOL
Originally posted by Fireman Dave
LMAO - and not to mention the gorey stories in chat, eh Rob? LOL
Oh yea Dave, maybe Steve can put a rating in chat!
Or at least a warning before one enters... ... ... . "Beware, Fireman Dave is in here, bring your barf bag, or your on your own!" LMAORob
Whether you liked it or not...
IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW!
If you would like to see lower standards then get the law changed but your not going to convince me that a rating system is a bad thing. I don't care if Janet is a liberal or conservative or that this situation has been "spun". If you do the crime you do the time or pay the fine.
IT WAS AGAINST THE LAW!
If you would like to see lower standards then get the law changed but your not going to convince me that a rating system is a bad thing. I don't care if Janet is a liberal or conservative or that this situation has been "spun". If you do the crime you do the time or pay the fine.
Just heard there was a class action lawsuit filed against about evreybody they could think of.
Only think I hate worse than the JJ types, are the lawsuit fileing idiots.
Only think I hate worse than the JJ types, are the lawsuit fileing idiots.
It was against the law, she should pay a fine. It was live TV, should we just do away with live TV?
As far as the "live birth" shows, CHANGE THE CHANNEL! surely your tv has the ability to change channels or turn it off. They even give you fair warning! yet you still watch? I can't stand to watch that show either, so i don't. People getting operations makes me sick too, so i don't watch that either. The worst crap on tv right now, reality shows. I think they all suck. I don't watch them either, notice a trend here? I still say it was just a boob, the timing was just off. In my opinion, it was the best part of the halftime show.
As far as the "live birth" shows, CHANGE THE CHANNEL! surely your tv has the ability to change channels or turn it off. They even give you fair warning! yet you still watch? I can't stand to watch that show either, so i don't. People getting operations makes me sick too, so i don't watch that either. The worst crap on tv right now, reality shows. I think they all suck. I don't watch them either, notice a trend here? I still say it was just a boob, the timing was just off. In my opinion, it was the best part of the halftime show.
Cfast, yes, at the very begining they give you a warning, but while I'm surfing channels and happen across one of those, your stuck with the visualisation throughout supper. I do change the channel, just not quick enough, the point is, I saw it, without wanting to, much like Janets boob. LOL
Rob
Rob
Kill your television
I went to a friend's house to watch the game. I don't have cable or sattelite, but usually like to watch sporting events. I know full well about the "entertainment" at half- time. This sort of drivel has been going on for quite some time. It becomes less and less about the game. Kinda' glad I do not have cable or sattelite and I am too far up in the hills to get broadcast TV. Don't miss it either. I used to "think" I needed it 'specially for news and weather. Now I log on for news and look outside the window for the weather
I went to a friend's house to watch the game. I don't have cable or sattelite, but usually like to watch sporting events. I know full well about the "entertainment" at half- time. This sort of drivel has been going on for quite some time. It becomes less and less about the game. Kinda' glad I do not have cable or sattelite and I am too far up in the hills to get broadcast TV. Don't miss it either. I used to "think" I needed it 'specially for news and weather. Now I log on for news and look outside the window for the weather
Rob has trouble changing gears, picking the right one, and he only has 6 of them-let alone 181 channels on tv.
knew It would not be long before some sue happy do gooder filed a lawsuit!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=Entertainment&cat=Super_Bowl_Halftime_Show
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=Entertainment&cat=Super_Bowl_Halftime_Show
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