Jeep Liberty CRD - new info out

[VicR]

For those watching the new Jeep diesel, there is finally some more info out about it.



Jeep Site



rockcrawler.com



Looks like only an automatic available



-Vic

 

[VicR]

sorry the first link didn't work. Here it is again:



Jeep Site



-Vic

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Liberty Diesel



Thereyago Vic

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

WHT?? Somehow this link cannot be done up in the typical fashion

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Trying one last time. . .



Liberty Diesel

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

OK I give up. . . posting the normal boring stoooooopid way to do it



http://www.jeep.com/crd/index.html?context='+context+'&type=promoText

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Hahahahahaha

Liberty Diesel



Neener neener neener I figured it out

 

[HoleshotHolset]

The stuff in bold is interesting...



1) Fuel economy isn't all that good for such a light SUV with a 4-banger.

2) It's not 50-state EPA certified... which doesn't make much sense as the CTD '600' made the cut with a LOT more displacement, power, etc.



"*Based on 2003 Automotive News, Small Sport Utility Segment, 2004 EPA Fuel Economy Guide and on preliminary 2005 Liberty EPA estimates of 21 mpg city and 27 mpg highway. Jeep, Liberty, Selec-Trac and Trail Rated are trademarks of DaimlerChrysler Corporation. CRD engine will not be available in California, Massachusetts, Maine, New York or Vermont. All product specifications are based on preliminary information and therefore are subject to change without notice. "





I wonder (more like hope/pray... ) if the camshafts are gear or chain driven... I'd hate for this to be another engine with a timing belt that requires service every 80k miles or so... like the VW TDI's.



"Thanks to modern advancements in engine technology, including Multi-Pilot Direct Injection, dual overhead camshafts and gear-driven balance shafts, Liberty CRD runs as smoothly as a conventional gasoline engine. "



The engine package is probably a $4k option... with not so significant gains in MPG. It's good that it's introducing more people to diesels... but the whole package just fails to impress based on the preliminary figures...



Matt

 

[KCJackson]

Holeshot, keep in mind 2 things...



The Liberty is really not a small/light SUV - it replaced the old Cherokee, and is a size class above things like the Ford Escape and Honda CRV. This will affect its fuel economy (DC/Jeep never intended the Liberty to be an econo-SUV). Liberty competes with trucks like the Nissan XTerra and Honda Pilot.



The Cummins wwas easier to make 50-state legal in emissions because it is sold above that magic 8500-lb GVWR level - emissions are vastly different above/below that line. The Liberty essentially has to meet emissions similar to a car, and in the "California states", those standards are VERY tough.



I think the package will not be marketed so much for the SUV owner who wants better fuel economy (put those folks back in station wagons where they belong), but rather for the SUV owner who really does camp every weekend, and could use the torque and mileage range of the Liberty diesel to get to and from the back woods on a regular basis. The 4-banger (21 city/24 hwy) wouldn't match the acceleration for the mileage, and the V-6 (16/22 manual, 17/21 auto) can't touch the mileage at all - the diesel is more of a "get better-than 4-cylinder mileage and better-than V-6 torque, in one engine".

 

[WMonroe]

My fiancee has an 03 Liberty with the 3. 7 v6 and a 5-speed manual. It gets 21 mpg in mixed city/highway and 24 mpg all highway at 65 mph. With the 5 speed it has tons of power. I was looking forward to the diesel Liberty but I'm kind of disapointed with the mileage numbers.

Will

 

[HoleshotHolset]

That's exactly what I was thinking, Will.



The numbers for the diesel have to be more impressive compared to the gasser... or folks won't buy it.



Matt

 

[BRayls]

I dis-agree. more will buy it as diesel fuel in itself is cheaper.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

BRayls said: "I dis-agree. more will buy it as diesel fuel in itself is cheaper. "



Really, where are you buying your fuel from?



It has been many years since diesel was consistantly cheaper than regular unleaded gasoline.



Matt

 

[mcoleman]

Diesel is usually cheaper than 87 octane here in the Ozarks. I pay 1. 48 and 1. 49 for diesel and the 87 octane is 1. 56 to 1. 59.

 

[mcoleman]

24 mpg with the V6 gasser is excellent. Most everyone I know only gets around 18 to 19 mpg on the highway with their Liberties that are V6 powered and 15 to 16 mpg in town. We drove one when they first came out but passed at that time. I will probably drive one of the diesels as soon as it is available.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Originally posted by mcoleman

Diesel is usually cheaper than 87 octane here in the Ozarks. I pay 1. 48 and 1. 49 for diesel and the 87 octane is 1. 56 to 1. 59.

Not around here! Diesel $1. 89 gas $1. 80

 

[WMonroe]

mcoleman-yeah it is excellant milage. I can't get that when I drive it, but when my fiancee drives she can. The best I can get is 21. 5 mpg (all highway).



Around here 87 octane gas is at least 3-4 cheaper than diesel, but gas has been going up and diesel just dropped from $1. 74 to $1. 71 so who knows where it will stop.

Will

 

[LV-CTD]

Price of diesel in your area will depend on your states fuel taxes. Here in NV it's usually 10-25 cents cheaper than unleaded. My brothers are both green with envy over me and my Cummins and both are very intrested in the Liberty.



Tom

 

[mschoenheider]

My wife has a Liberty, V-6 auto. 15-16 around town, 20 on the highway if she drives, 19 if I drive. Diesel is $1. 559 gasoline (85 octane) is $1. 759. We will go test drive a diesel when it comes out, but probably not going to be worth the price difference to upgrade.

 

[mcoleman]

For some reason my Wife always gets better mileage than I do regardless which vehicle she is driving. She has hit 22. 6 mpg with the Dodge and I normally get 20. 5 to 21. We both drive 70 miles a day round trip back and forth to work so we don't see much city type driving. I paid 1. 20 for diesel for my tractor Friday at a station that was selling road diesel for 1. 54. So Mo must be in the . 30 cent range on tax. 85 octane Jeez I thought 87 was bad. Guess the high altitude takes care of some of the octane requirements. My Wifes Buick is Supercharged and requires 92 octane or better. It will detonate on 91 and destroy itself on 89. Of course the 3. 4 pulley I'm running on the blower has something to do with that but even stock they require premium fuel. Thank Goodness it gets 27 + mpg on the highway.