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Jim Jeffers is SCUM!!!!!!!!!!

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Hmm, seems strange to me that all the right wingers are now crying foul when a single guy changes sides cause he believes he's right. When Bush got elected cause Florida can't count pregnant chads they weren't crying they were cheering. Whats wrong with this picture or should I say you guys sure have a short memory!
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I think the reason "Benedict" Jeffords switched now is because he was afraid that he would lose his bargaining power when Strom Thurmond dies (could happen any time). Then the Dems would take over the Senate anyway because the Dem. gov. of South Carolina would have appointed a dem to take his place.

The weasel Senator from Nevada (Harry Reid) has promised to give up the chairmanship of the Environmental Committee (which he was in line to get because of seniority) so it could be given to Jeffords.

I say good riddance to Jeffords. Bush can veto any Democrat crap that is passed by the Senate (assuming it gets by the House). The main downside is it will be harder for Bush to get his agenda thru the Congress (including judges). If the Demorats block Bush's programs, the Republicans can make an issue out of it in the next election.
 
Originally posted by Paul R. Haller:
Hmm, seems strange to me that all the right wingers are now crying foul when a single guy changes sides cause he believes he's right. When Bush got elected cause Florida can't count pregnant chads they weren't crying they were cheering. Whats wrong with this picture or should I say you guys sure have a short memory!
-Paul R. Haller-

Are you saying we should take him to court?
Actually I'm not crying, just pointing out some hypocrisy. No short term memory loss here, just helping the dem's remember. #ad

Eric
 
"the right wingers are now crying foul when a single guy changes sides cause he believes he's right. "

You're missing the big picture BIG time! This isn't about just about ONE man and his "high moral standards", an "honorable man reluctantly following his conscience"... It IS about an opportunist, a deceitful USER of voters and associates to reach personal and selfish goals.

Jeffords has been a "closet liberal/Democrat" for YEARS, so his support and votes will not change in the least from what is on his record from the PAST - the biggest gripe against his current actions of switching to the Independent party is due to his hypocracy in primarily VOTING liberal, being highly supportive of Democratic bills and agenda - but RUNNING for office as a Republican because he KNEW that if he ran for office as a Democrat OR Independent, he would LOSE! He represented himself as a Republican as LONG AS it benefitted him politically!

He continued to REPRESENT himself as something he WASN'T, and when the time and opportunity presented itself to his advantage, he virtually crapped on his claimed party, his associates, and the voters he had deceived. He did this purposely to damage Bush and former fellow Republican Senators, and because his supposed Democrat political opponents had PROMISED to reward him with a permanent committee chairmanship (30 pieces of silver... ) if he WOULD play the turncoat against his former party. They BOUGHT him - AND control of the Senate at the same time!

How does history now view Benedict Arnold - or any of a list of those who turned traitor to those they formerly claimed to support? Are they considered "heros" and "men of conscience" - or hated and despised (by both their former friends, AND those they have then switched to!) as cowards and deceivers?

Those they have turned to certainly rejoice at the destruction the act creates - but they DERN sure don't think much of the traitor, at the time, and especially LATER! Do any really think the Democrats LIKE Jeffords, or will ever trust or view him with respect as their equal? He was a traitor ONCE, who's to say he won't be AGAIN?

Jeffords will NEVER accomplish anything of value with either the Democrats OR the Independents - you can be sure most Demo Senators despise his flawed character as much as the Repubs do, his days as a Senator are virtually ENDED, and his only remaining political hope is the Governorship of his home state, which he has had his eye on recently. He will CERTAINLY never be elected as an Independent Party Senator in his state!

His act, if it had only primarily affected HIM and those of his supporters back home, would not loom NEARLY as obscene as it does when he so effectively wiped his posterior upon his claimed party and the entire GOP party thruout the nation at a time when (as he WELL knew!) his act would create the most damage to his President and former party - all for his own selfish personal, TEMPORARY gain and petty spite!

It isn't about what Jeffords did to HIMSELF, he'll GET what he deserves - it IS about what his treachery did to so MANY who THOUGHT they could trust his integrity - the change in control of the Senate leadership and critical committees Jefford's treachery has created will greatly affect the entire NATION and threatens Bush's ability to govern as effectively on behalf of the nation who elected him, not merely Jefford's home state...

THAT is what makes Jeffords and his act so disgusting, treacherous and obscene.

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Thats it. .

Makes no difference. The guy was already voting with the dems before he bailed on his party. He just wanted some attention, and he got it.

People are using it as a weapon to hurt the presidents confidence ratings, thats all. It wont work.

[This message has been edited by Shortshift (edited 05-27-2001). ]
 
Have you guys noticed that the Liberals out here just love to compare apples to, say, concrete, or lawn furniture??

Don't even waste your time explaining right and wrong to them, they have no reasoning capabilities, or choose to ignore them.


There is NO DOUBT that Jeffers was and is being, uh,"compensated" for this move.
The Liberals were scared to death that Bush was going to do a good job, as he was heading rapidly in that direction.

The Liberals agenda has NOTHING to do with helping America, they want Bush screwed so they can get back into power and continue to steal as much money from us as possible.

The True Freedom Loving Americans are a dieing breed. The Socialists are winning.
Socialist=Liberal=Democrat=anti-Freedom,anti-American... .

Read it and weep,

A DEMOCRAT ON DEMOCRATS: "It's hard to believe that my party, the party that I've belonged to since my great, great grandfather of my family, has become no longer a party of principles, but has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters who need to take power by whatever means and whatever canards they can say. " -Pat Caddel, longtime Democrat pollster and adviser to Democrats since McGovern, on MSNBC's Hardball, November 27, 2000.


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What I don't understand how can Vermont be considered a liberal state? [that is what the great liberal media is saying] Vermont is the only state where fire arm carry of any kind [open or concealed] is properly viewed as a right not subject to state regulation. Individuals may carry hand guns on their person in a concealed or open manner. Vehicle carry is viewed in the same light as any other carry.
Mr. Jeffers I think you just shot your self in the foot. VERMONT IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO HAVE A RECALL!!!!!
Don
 
I challenge the far right (or should I say, always right?) members to name one non-republican congressman/senator that they do not think is scum. The topic of this thread seems a little ironic to me.....

Brian
 
Brian--I am a registered Republican, but I couldn't have told you what party Jeffords belong to before this mess. I don't care what party you are as long as put the PEOPLE of America first--and I frankly don't see that happening in the Democratic party--all they seem to do is wine about the problems--but never try & fix them. Scum Bag (Bill) had his 1st 2 years with TOTAL control--and didn't fix a thing--only tried to take over 1/7th of the economy with his health care sceam, and GAYS in the military--that helped out a lot. Now we got a guy who inherited this crap and at least he is trying, but keeps running into road blocks with Daschel & Gephardt.

I think there are plenty of good Democratic members of congress--they just should not be lead around by their MORONIC leaders. At least 12 of them voted for tax relief.

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First of all, I must admit I don't know a darn thing about Traficant. FWIW, I am a registered republican but I have never voted a strictly republican ticket. In some cases the democrat, green, independent, peace & freedom, libertarian or whatever was the better choice IMO.

I don't believe any politician puts the American people first - it is not a democrat phenomenon. The first item on an elected officials agenda is getting re-elected. Doesn't matter what party he/she belongs too. The leaders of both parties are so wrapped up in creating a legacy/name/whatever for themselves that they have lost touch with reality and forgotten what they were elected to do - represent Joe American. I don't know how to solve the problem but I am sick and tired of the name calling & finger pointing about democrat this & republican that in the press & on TDR. Get over yourselves and do something constructive. Some of you folks on TDR should put up or shut up if you haven't already. Run for elected office and make the changes to fix the moral fiber of America that you feel are being eroded by the evil democrats.

I see your point with the clinton health care scheme but what does gays in the military have to do with it? I don't care if your gay or straight - what you do in the privacy of your own home between consenting adults is not my concern. Just keep your personal life private.

Brian
 
It isn't about the final vote Jeffer's has invalidated; it's about his prostitution of the primary. By staying "republican" he kept valid republican contenders from filling the spot and running -- and sold it to the dems. It was bought and paid for way before election day.

There is no doubt this was a planned buy out.
 
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