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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) John Deere Lift Pump

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I spoke with a tech an the local John Deere dealership today about our lift pump problems.



Deere makes a 12V lift pump for the 9600 combine. It is about as big as a pop can (slightly smaller) and has pressure from 6psi - 50psi. Thats what the book said. He didn't know how it adjusts that pressure, except that it may be varying voltage based upon engine load and rpm. Maybe its the Deere computer control. But thats a good thing maybe considering Dodges duty cycle voltage variance.



The fuel tank on these machines is much lower than the engine so Deere had to use one. He said they were very reliable and had only ever replaced one because it had a drip leak. He kept it and uses it to transfer fluids in the shop area still. He said the owner just didn't like the occasional drip from it.



It sounds like a possibility. I would test 12V constant voltage and see what pressure it produces. Then, if its high (which I suspect it would be) then it could be regulated. He also didn't know about the volume but believed it should be decent since these engines have decent HP.



Its only $70 so I might order one and bench test it for pressure and flow. It may not work but could be worth researching more. If its regulated, and lasts for a long time, who knows, maybe it will cure the problems.
 
As an extra note, he said he thought the pump said FACET or FAUCET on the side of it. It wasn't actually made by John Deere. Never heard of them myself. But, maybe they make other industrial diesel pumps that could work. I'm gonna check further on this too.
 
It seems they are part of facet-purolator.com. John Deere as well as Caterpillar, Case, New Holland and others use these pumps. They said the pumps can range up to 170. 3 L/hour (45. 12 gal/hour) and pressure up to 68 bar (986 psi). Ummm... I wrote the engineering department an email to see if they could provide a pump with the specs of 15-20psi and maybe 75-100 gal/hour using 12V power negative ground. I'll see if they have anything
 
Ncostello,



Definetly keep the info coming and how your research goes. All of us know there has to be a lift pump out there that is better and you might have discovered one. :D



I'd buy one if it works and has the durability as well.
 
1tuffram,



I havent forgot. The Deere dealer called me and said they have one in now. I just have to go and pick it up. I've been fighting my own troubles on a idle miss I'm having. So until I can get a grasp on that I probably wont be messing with my lift pump just yet. I just need to go to Rockville and pick up this pump and start messing with it.
 
Some news is good news??

A research engineer for Facet-Purolator (fuel pump division) called me today in reply to my emails about this pump. He told me that the Deere dealer is wrong in that the pump only puts out about 6psi max. It is not adjustable either.



He did however ask me if this pump had anything to do with Cummins Engines. Of course I said yes.



He informed me that they are currently aggressively pursuing getting a pump to market in the range of 15-20psi with a 100GPH flow rating. He also told me the engineer responsible for this near future pump is responsible for any work they do for Cummins. Wonder if this has anything to do with Dodge Trucks? Maybe.



Anyway, thats where I am at on my research. He said he is putting my name on file so he can keep me informed. Maybe he thinks I'm gonna buy 1000 of them or something. I only want one. But I know some others who would like to have one if it works.
 
JD lift pump

John Deere does use the VP44 pump on a few tractors. . you have to purchase a certain transmission to get the VP pump. . they are used on the 4. 5L 4 cylinders and the 6. 8L 6 cylinder engines with the matching transmission. . The set up is a little different. . the lift pump is mounted on top of the fuel filter housing. . which means you almost have to use the filter housing. . The system monitors the fuel pressure and controls the pressure by using Pulse Width Modulation on the pump. . (basically cutting the pump on and off, so many times a second. ) I have not heard any complaint on this lift pump, but there are not that many out there. (this was my first question when I found we were using the VP pump. ) The bad think is that it is expensive... I'll have to look up the price again later. .

Bryan
 
(For those of you interested in the JD pump, the following is an exchange from another thread, but should be posted here for all concerned. )





Rashwor:

Ncostello, any news on the JD lift pump? Did you stop persuing it all together? Have you heard any more from Facet or Faucet engineers?

In your JD Lift pump thread, you mention that they you thought Facet or Faucet was working to develop a pump that might meet our specs. Any news on this?



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NCostello:

I quit when the engineer told me the pump was only good for up to 6psi... good for a pusher... bad for a single pump which is what I wanted.



They have not contacted me back and I'm not surprised. I should call them back to see if the status has changed on the "new" pump since I doubt they still have my number. I'll see what I can find.
 
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Re: JD lift pump

Originally posted by TractorNut

John Deere does use the VP44 pump on a few tractors. . you have to purchase a certain transmission to get the VP pump. . they are used on the 4. 5L 4 cylinders and the 6. 8L 6 cylinder engines with the matching transmission. . The bad think is that it is expensive... I'll have to look up the price again later. .

Bryan



Some of the 6420 tractors(4. 5L) have the VP44. Cost from Deere is $2K.
 
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If you look for a regulator, the bypass regulator I use (Mallory 4307M) holds 12 psi really well for me. See sig. 5er is 13k.



Bob Weis
 
To the best of my knowledge they still have no pumps to replace the OEM piece on our Dodges. At least none to do what we want.



I'll admit its been quite some time since I researched this topic. I was surprised to see it re-surface. I thought I was onto something there. It was 10-16-02 when I first posted on this.
 
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