K&N doesn't stop dirt!!!

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Ever since I put my conical K&N RE0880 filter on, it lets more dirt through than the stock filter/airbox setup. Now that it is very dusty here and hasn't rained for weeks, it is passing an alarming amount of dust through. A week ago I took off the filter and cleaned the rubber hose to the turbo and put a small film of vaseline on and made sure it was sealed good. One week later I take it off (last night) and once again there was a considerable coating of dry dust inside the rubber hose. So, off comes the K&N, and back in went the stock airbox. I will give it 2 weeks then see, to make sure, if the airbox can do any better at stopping dust.

I had the K&N on 7,000 miles was all. 4,000 miles of that I had the nice red prefilter sock on it, which didn't help.

I called K&N about my concerns and he said to send it in for a warranty replacement, so I'll do that. When I told him what it was on, he says they don't recommend their filters on turbo engines! He said it's because they don't last as long and need cleaned very frequently #ad
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If this second filter doesn't cut it, I'm going to look into the Amsoil filter and use the stock airbox, and cut a 2. 5" hole in the firewall & run a hose like someone else did. Won't look as cool, but at least I won't be sucking dirt through my engine!!!!!

BTW, I can definitely tell running the stock setup, it takes some of the edge off the power and doesn't seem as snappy, feels a bit suffocated. No turbo or the sound of rushing wind either #ad


Vaughn

 

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Originally posted by Vaughn MacKenzie:
When I told him what it was on, he says they don't recommend their filters on turbo engines! He said it's because they don't last as long and need cleaned very frequently #ad
. Vaughn

So if K&N doesn't recommend their filter on Turbo engines - Why don't they say something in instructions or pull it from the stores?

 

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<font color=teal>I have had mine (RE-0880) now for almost 7 months. I drive down a road 9/10 mile long each at least twice each day. I haven't seen any dirt at all through mine. Right as I put the new filter on I pulled the lower hose off the turbo and clean my intake side up using carb cleaner, it had a pretty good black ring around it from the stock housing w/ K&N. I just check mine again I have no signs of dirt it is as clean as it was right after cleaning it. Also my oil checked out with only 2 Silicon. It might just be a defective filter. </font>

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97 2500 Club 4X4 3. 54, Forrest Green/Edgewood, LSD 5 speed, K&N Air filter RE0880 & Psychotty, TST #11 all the way forward, #12 for winter, AFC spring kit, Geno's Exhaust Blanket, TST EGT gauge & TST 0-60 boost gauge in A Pillar, Hypo clutch ass. , Cat-be-gone, 4" Dynomax Bullet muffler, Crome 4" turn down, AmsOil GL-4 80W-90 in Trans , AmsOil 15W-40 Oil W/ Bypass system, AmsOil Ser 2000 75W-90 in front & Rear ends,
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Vaughn, I use the K&N stock replacement filter and it seems OK. I've been keeping an eye on it since installation. Had one in my 98 and never had a problem. Ted Janetty had recommended that I go with the stock replacement and I like it.

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2001 HO 6 spd 2500, 4. 10 LSD, Towing Package, Electric Brakes, EGT/Boost Gauges, Running Boards, K&N,
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Who do you use for engine oil testing? And how much is it?

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I use Blackstone Labs and it cost $18. 50 a test.

 

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Originally posted by SteveAZ:
Who do you use for engine oil testing? And how much is it?

<font color=blue> BlackStone Labs Get them to mail you a sample kit its normally $18. 50 but I believe if you mention being a member of the TDR you get it for $16 something. There are lots of other places this is just the one I use.

 

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Vaughn,are you useing plenty of the lube K&N recommends on the edge gasket?If you don't it will definitly leak and pass dirty air. The clean side of my air box with K&N here in dusty Eastern WA looks better than my dinner plates after the dog licks em.

 

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Vaughn,
What have you heard about the Amsoil filter? I don't know about dirt, but people make the same complaints about oil in the intake tubes with the Amsoil. Let us know if you try one.

 

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I tried a K & N in the stock filter box, and checked it after about 500 miles. Nearly died when I opened it up, it had pulled apart quite a bit. The metal screen was pulled right out of the rubber edge completely, and the filter pleats were unfolding. Went with an Amsoil filter after that. we need to get Amsoil to make a conical filter for our application !

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Briar, I was wishing the same thing. I just got some literature and a cross reference catalog from Amsoil a few minutes ago. I'll look and see if I can find anything. You would think if Amsoil was really big in this business, they would have a filter replacement for virtually everything.

My other thought I hit on above was to put an Amsoil filter in the stock box then sort-of psychotty it. Drill a 2. 5" hole in the firewall to tap into the heater vent feed which should be nice cool air under slight pressure. Then run a hose to the airbox. I think this will free up much of the restriction with this unit, which is the small snorkel opening into the fender. With the 2 feeds of outside air, this ought to work pretty well at reducing EGTs and providing adequate airflow. Most of the guys with the conical K&N draw in underhood air, which is pretty hot, especially in town on a summer day. The answer is the pshychotty of course if you're brave enough to cut that big hole!!!

Question--does anyone know if any independent labs have conducted tests on air filters, as far as airflow, filter capacity and micron level?

Vaughn

 

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Theres over 25,000 miles on my filter.
Looks great. #ad

Over 10K on this truck... the turbo hose is clean and theres no build up on the turbo vanes. I suspect it to be over oiling as the problem or a defective filter.
Never required any grease with the PSA. #ad


Very odd that K&N said not for turbo engines especially since the K&N for the factory box has a MOPAR part number.

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oops forgot to mention... 3 silicon

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Originally posted by scott1:
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oops forgot to mention... 3 silicon

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Are those jumping things the 3 silicons?

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Bill Lins Wharton, TX 98 2500 QC SLT,12 (the CORRECT # of)valves,NV4500,3. 54 LSD,Manik grille guard,Psychotty Air,Amsoil everywhere, Reading aluminum utility body and bumper,Optima yellow tops- silencer ring, cat,& muffler all stolen.

 

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If you read through K&N's product literature they state NO sealing grease is to be used on the sealing surfaces of ANY of their filters which are not of the flat panel variety. This statement was also included with the generic K&N literature provided with my OE (flat panel) style filter. I have inspected downstream of the K&N filter several times since its installation (July 2nd) with results exhibiting no residue... and I have to travel . 5 mile (each way) on a dusty gravel/dirt road to get to/from my home. I have been using the K&N sealing grease on the "clean side" gasket surface only (i. e. between the top of the filter and the sealing surface of the air box lid). One thing I would like to mention, the K&N filter fits the custom fiberglass base of my Air Bulldog air box substantially better than the OE plastic base. The clamps are vastly superior to the OE style spring clips as well.

Briar Hopper, the screen (expanded metal) of the K&N OE replacement filter is only captured in the grooved area on two of the four sides, at opposing sides. the adjacent two sides just butt up to the edge of the rubber gasket.

Vaughn, Amsoil does make a two-stage polyurethane foam OE style replacement filter. A conical replacement filter similar to the K&N RE-0880 is not offered.

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Unless he's changed his mind lately, Mark at TST has always recommended the STOCK paper filter if you want your engine to reach it's expected service life. He talked me out of K&N and back to paper a long time ago. I don't like the lack of turbo sound but I do like the idea of long engine life.

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'96 Club Cab 2500 4x4, 4:10LS, Auto, BD Pressure Loc, Mystery Switch,TST 230/605, Cummins Chrome, Mag-Hytec rear and trans covers, Boost, Pyro and trans gauges, Optima Red Tops, All black. Tow 14k HitchHiker triple glide 5th Whl. Also use 9. 5' Lance. NRA Life Member.

 

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If K&N does not recommend their stuff on a turbo, then their own 100,000 warranty is probably voided on our trucks too #ad



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Vaughn,
I have had the Amsoil stock filter on my 94 Ram for nearly 120,000 miles for the Dodge Diesel application, Stock number TS-106,(94-2001)and have never seen any dust or oil buildup beyond the filter box. I have cleaned it 4 times. You do have to be liberal as to how much oil you apply after cleaning however. I have found they are over-oiled right out of the box.

Wayne
amsoilman

 

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Scott1
Quit jumpimg up and down, I can't read my screen it keeps bouncing. #ad
See what I mean?

Don #ad


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About 7 or 8 years ago I was considering selling K&N filters along with the AMSOIL products. The K&N literature they sent me included the directions for off road use. It went something like this: "... use the oiled foam prefilter over the outside of the normal filter. This will stop the very fine dust with no loss of air flow. "

When I saw that I stayed with the AMSOIL filters.

Rudy

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