K&N users look at this

[craftybigdog]

www.performanceoiltechnology.com/k&nbitesthedust.htm:{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{

 

[chuck3]

OH NO. :{

 

[Don M]

I see the web site does not show you how restrictive the filter is compared to the K&N.

Try to run a fueled up Cummins with an Asmoil filter in the box and watch the EGT's climb up faster than the K&N.



I bet even Gene Mohney does not run an Asmoil air filter with his twins.

Here is the air choking specs on one Amsoil filter compared to the K&N of the same size.



http://www.knfilters.com/facts.htm





Don~

 

[Bigsaint]

Don, I know from what I've read here, that you have more than a passing interest in oil and it's analysis. Quick question... If I used a K+N filter and it was letting dust/dirt in, wouldn't the silicon level read high when I sample my oil ??? Or is this not entirely the case as the dirt is trapped by the oil filter. Just curious as I have been running a K+N RE0880 for over a year, oil analysis(silicon) always comes back low, in fact, it continued to drop as the break in on my engine progressed. Is it as simple as that or am I missing something ? TIA



Scott W.

 

[PRout]

This is why the BHAF looks good.



It filters well, and has LOTS of surface area for plenty of flow. And no oil.

 

[Don M]

Scott,



High silicon levels in oil samples can be and often times are caused by the dirt that is passing through the filter media.



My oil samples come back with 2 or 3 PPM of silicon and I have run the K&N for over a year now.



If they are installed and oiled properly they work.





Don~

 

[Bigsaint]

Thanks Don, my last sample showed 5 PPM, down from 6 PPM from the previous sample. My engine only has 16,000+ miles on it right now, if it matters. Guessing here that break in does play some role in the silicon levels as my first sample, at 2200 miles and with the stock air filter/box was 91 PPM .



Thanks again !



Scott W.

 

[yogibear]

Guys, when Kurt put my B 1 on, I had a BHAF on my trk. He told me I would lower my egt's if I would use the psyscotty, but I couldn't stand the noise. two days after I got home I had to take a trl. to Acton,Ca. , 1775 mi. I took the mega-cannon, BHAF, and my stock air box w/amsoil filter with me. I changed them several times on that trip, and got the lowest egt's with the stock box w/a filter, by a good 100*. Now running empty, there was very little diff. , but with a heavy load, and pulling those long grades at 1100-1150* egt's, the under hood temps get pretty warm, and like Kurt said, sucking in that hot air raised the egt's. It prooved it to me!! I also ran the Amsoil Air filter in my 96 V-10 for 300K mi. , I had the bypass system on it also, and changed oil vilters at 8-10K, and changed the oil at 30-35K (Amsoil 5w30), and at 300K, it would be down only a qt. in 8-10K. I sample at every filter change, and silicon runs from 4 to 7 PPM.

Larry

 

[merryman]

Stalin said, "it doesn't matter who gets to vote, what matters is who gets to count the votes. " I often wonder to what degree the real issue is, who gets to devise the test?

Vaughn

 

[rrausch]

My last oil analysis showed 5ppm Silicon. I've been running my K&N for 50,000 miles and will run it another 50,000 or so. It is the best filter out there. The above site is just more K&N bashing.

 

[yogibear]

rrausch, I'm not bashing K&N, I've never used one. I just don't like the idea of greasing the seal. I'm sure they are a good filter.

 

[Jff24Gordn]

What that site doesnt tell ya is that they extremly over oiled the filter. When the oil comes off, the dirt, stick to the oil come off too. Thus they get dirt on their foam.

one big argument. :-{}

 

[danandamy]

WOW!! A K&N AND an Amsoil thread, all rolled up into one!!

 

[JR2]

I have been meaning to post on this subject for a while. I have had three different filters on my truck. The stock filter in stock box, a KNRE0880 and a BHAF (fleetguard version). I ran each of them for one oil change cycle. The stock box got the highest silicone numbers 15ppm. The BHAF and KNRE0880 both got the same numbers 9 ppm. I did my best to run both of these in the same conditions and neither of them ran duruing our dusty time (early spring).



As far as egts from under hood air... up here in AK it is very nice to draw that good warm air into our engines as they do not like really cold intake air.



JR2

 

[Bad340fish]

LOL@Danandme



Now if we could just get K&N to make a auto trans filter we could get a thread involving automatics, amsoil, and K&N filters LOL.

Clark

 

[BLACKRAM]

K&N=rock screen (at least big rocks):--)

Go with BHAF!

 

[azcummins]

Wow... sounds like an amsoil man is trying to make some $$$. His webpage even features a pop-up page for you to make money for them!!! SPAM baby!! (I can't believe the TDR supports this. )

 

[Steve M]

I have only one gripe about K&N.



EXTENT OF WARRANTY:

Any defective Filtercharger® element properly returned to K&N will be replaced by K&N. K&N will not be responsible for any other expenses incurred by the customer under the terms of this warranty, nor shall it be responsible for any damages either consequential, special, contingent, or otherwise; or expenses or injury arising directly or indirectly from the use of the Filtercharger® element. Any Filtercharger® element returned to K&N must be sent at customers' expense along with a completed Warranty Claim Card and proof of purchase. K&N reserves the right to determine whether the terms of the warranty, set out above, have been properly complied with. In the event that the terms are not complied with, K&N shall be under no obligation to honor this warranty.



Read it carefully. They don't appear to have faith in their own product to protect the engine it is supposed to protect. If they had a warranty equal to the lowly Fram air filter, I'd buy one today. It's sitting on the shelf at Discount Auto Parts now. I look at it every time I go in for oil and filter.

Amsoil? They seem to overlook something in their rhetoric. My owner's manual states an oil change interval based on the type of use. Amsoil may meet the required specs for the oil. They seem to evade the oil change interval requirements. I realize I can have my oil anylized and it may be fine for 35,000 miles but, I'm not yet my own warranty station. Chrysler is and a cheap oil change is worth a lot more than a lengthy arbitration trying to decide who's responsible for an engine problem if something happens within the 100,000 mile warranty.

A $20 air filter once a year isn't too much of a strain on the wallet either to avoid a dispute with Chrysler over a $10,000+ motor.

Not trying to fan flames, just expressing my humble view while respecting other's views.

 

[azcummins]

Steve M-

Amsoil does the same thing. If their product causes a failure of your truck then it is their DEALERS problem, not the company! (Sounds like they are passing the blame). I was going to become a dealer until I read the fine print. Into the trash went the application!

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by azcummins

Wow... sounds like an amsoil man is trying to make some $$$. His webpage even features a pop-up page for you to make money for them!!! SPAM baby!! (I can't believe the TDR supports this. )

Don't jump to conclusions.



The website listed and the user that posted it are not the "same" person, so its perfectly legal according to the guidelines.



Its the same as if you posted the link, or I posted it... ... ... .....