Kerry's Military record

[Elite1]

He keeps trumping his service in the military... . it may come back to bite him in the a&&..... http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:vWPtWJXn-wYJ:www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

[Steve M]

So he fought in a war he disagreed with? I think most Vietnam vets would agree with that.

 

[smartineau]

He wants to take away my guns, so I don't really care what he thinks or feels. I won't be voting for him.



steve

 

[NETim]

And I suspect he'll "negotiate" a peace with the terrorists who want us dead.



And we'll all live happily ever after.



Tim

 

[Champane Flight]

I agree although

All the more reason to vote Clark. But Kerry is not against guns as you say. And he did vote FOR the Iraq war (he lost my vote there).



Democratic candidate for President John Kerry wrote a letter to the hundreds of individuals, celebrities, authors, religious organizations, and businesses blacklisted by the NRA, to join him in standing up to the divisive agenda of the gun lobby and standing up for gun safety.



In a letter to the many prominent Americans put on the NRA’s publicly advertised “anti-gun” list, Kerry said, “The NRA’s blacklist is the modern day equivalent of Richard Nixon’s enemies list. This blacklist is precisely the politics of division and distortion that have turned too many people away from participating in the process. We can’t let the NRA scare people into silence. I know what it’s like to be targeted by the NRA, and I refuse to sit idly by during my campaign for the presidency while they push their divisive agenda on America and slander those who stand up for gun safety. ”

Kerry also promised to continue his fight for gun safety during his campaign for the presidency: “Why should those on the NRA blacklist courageously risk their livelihoods when Democratic candidates for President aren’t willing to stand up against powerful interests and risk their political capital? I believe that standing up for gun safety is important, and I refuse to be a candidate who retreats from the issue out of political fear or one who tries to have it both ways. I’m a hunter and a gun owner, but I’ve never gone hunting with an AK-47. I’ll stand up to the NRA when they call law enforcement officers ‘jackbooted thugs’ or stand in the way of common sense efforts to keep the most dangerous weapons out of the hands of felons and children. The Democratic Party will never be the choice of the NRA—and I’m not looking to be the candidate of the NRA. ”



The full list of individuals being blacklisted by the NRA can be found on the website www.stopthenra.com The Kerry campaign is also asking Americans to sign the petition started by the Brady Campaign and the Million Mom march and join the NRA’s blacklist.





He was a founding member of the V VAW, which many of us were. He is still holds a Silver Star and others, how many medals for bravery does Bush have?

 

[NETim]

Re: I agree although

Originally posted by Champane Flight

All the more reason to vote Clark. But Kerry is not against guns as you say. And he did vote FOR the Iraq war (he lost my vote there).



Sorry CF, you lost me. Kerry is not against guns? Don't you know the phrase "gun safety" is code for "gun control?"



All guns in the hands of private citizens are a bad thing to Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Dean, Clark, et al. They will not stop with "assault rifles" and the Brady Bill.



My Bill of Rights is not for sale.



Tim

 

[krs]

"He was a founding member of the V VAW, which many of us were. He is still holds a Silver Star and others, how many medals for bravery does Bush have?"



That's "Vietnam Veterans Against the War" for those of you who don't know. John Kerry went and stood before the U. S. Senate to give a speech in which he described in detail not only the horrors of that war but making the solid case for why the United States should not continue in the war in Vietnam. That was in 1971 after he had completed his service which included a tour. He's a gutsy clear thinking patriot in the best sense of the word, by a definition which would not likely be comprehended by most of the loud-mouthed followers of Rush Limbaugh and his kin - the idiot right.

 

[NETim]

Originally posted by KRS

the idiot right.

Hmmm... . painting with a pretty broad brush aren't we? Certainly this isn't being "narrow minded" is it?



Let's stick to the issues and resist the name calling shall we? Anyone can call names.



Tim

 

[Champane Flight]

Safety/Control?

I always thought there was a big difference between Control and safety. What part of Clintons dictionary did the rightwing take over?

 

[krs]

I'm a Distinquished Life Member of the NRA ("distinquished" part is given those life members who were wounded in combat), own some 50 rifles and handguns right now and have had a couple hundred over the years. I've been a competitive pistol shooter in NRA competition as well as an avid benchrest rifle shooter. Think I'd vote for someone who I thought would take away my guns?

But I don't see a need for a hardline stance FOR assault weapons, armor piercing ammo, and all of those fun things. I do see that there needs to be some way to try to control the killing going on right here in river city on every city street and even now in small town America. What? For the sake of gun ownership without any condition criminals will be tolerated in killing your children? Get realistic for a while. Just apply the laws already there? Good, if they'd work. But I haven't noticed any increase in the application of those laws during this last screwed up administration, have you?

 

[NETim]

Re: Safety/Control?

Originally posted by Champane Flight

I always thought there was a big difference between Control and safety. What part of Clintons dictionary did the rightwing take over?

CF, you're being coy with me here aren't you? Haven't you been paying any attention at all to what's going on around you? The major anti-gun groups are now shifting towards the use of the word, "safety" rather than "control. "



I don't see HCI or any of their sister groups offering gun education classes or gun safety classes. Where's this happening?



Frankly, I think you know what I say is true. You just want to argue.



Tim

 

[NETim]

Originally posted by KRS

I'm a Distinquished Life Member of the NRA ("distinquished" part is given those life members who were wounded in combat), own some 50 rifles and handguns right now and have had a couple hundred over the years. I've been a competitive pistol shooter in NRA competition as well as an avid benchrest rifle shooter. Think I'd vote for someone who I thought would take away my guns?

But I don't see a need for a hardline stance FOR assault weapons, armor piercing ammo, and all of those fun things. I do see that there needs to be some way to try to control the killing going on right here in river city on every city street and even now in small town America. What? For the sake of gun ownership without any condition criminals will be tolerated in killing your children? Get realistic for a while. Just apply the laws already there? Good, if they'd work. But I haven't noticed any increase in the application of those laws during this last screwed up administration, have you?

You're a member of the NRA? Really? The same NRA I belong to? Do you belong to the NRA because you want to or because you have to because of club insurance policy?



For an NRA member, you're woefully uninformed. Take the "armor piercing bullet" issue for example. The legislation as originally written would have outlawed most hunting rifle rounds because even a conventionally constructed . 243 bullet is going to defeat body armor. Isn't it? The NRA helped rewrite the legislation so that it better defined the term "armor piercing". Now those teflon coated bullets designed to defeat body armor are not available for sale to the general public. Is this unreasonable?



Could you define "assault rifle" for me? Do you think that the guy down the line, the DCM shooter, would define it the same way? Do we want to ban guns on cosmetic terms? Jeez... . one man's Remington 1100 is another man's "assault weapon. " Or are you the kind of gun snob that thinks trap and skeet should only be shot with Perazzi's or Kreighoffs?



Assault rifles are historically involved in less than 1% of all serious crime. As an NRA member you should have been aware of that.



You obviously are another shooter who has a problem with the NRA. For some reason, even though they're the major reason, if not the only reason, you still can legally own guns, you choose to bite the hand.



Frankly, I dont' understand the attitude at all. It's terribly elitist of you to think your guns are OK, but the guy's down the line is not because you don't like the looks of it. Does his rifle make people deader or something? Can't your benchrest rifles be called "long range sniper weapons?"



You guys who vote for leftist candidates yet want to keep your shootin' irons are playing a dangerous game. Obviously you feel that you and your guns are safe. I don't know how more ignorant of reality a person could be than you guys.



If gun control is deemed effective for one type of firearm, what's to stop the anti's from applying that logic to ALL guns?



Enforce the laws I agree. We have more than enough laws now to control crime. I don't think anyone, not even the NRA, is advocationg unconditional firearms ownership in this country.





Kerry, being a member of a political party controlled by the Left, is a threat to legal gun ownership in this country.

Your attitude disgusts me frankly. I've got mine, who cares about yours, right? You've given in to the argument of the Left that gun control is somehow effective as a crime control measure.



Actually, KRS, I don't think you really are an NRA member. I think you're a phoney. How's that?



Tim



And now a little story:



A young Sioux Indian brave, who being upon the threshold of becoming a man, was sent out into the wilderness on a journey to find his way. For days he walked the land. Through forest, across prairie until he found himself upon a cold mountain top. He looked down and there was a rattlesnake. It was nearly frozen solid.



The snake said to him, "Pick me up and carry me to the bottom of the mountain. If you don't I will surely die. "



The young boy replied, "But you are a rattlesnake and you will bite me if I do. "



"I will not. " said the snake.



The young boy hesitated and then picked up the snake. He put it inside his coat and carried it down the mountain to where it was warm.



He pulled the snake out of his coat and the snake promptly bit him.



As the young Indian lie dying, he looked at the snake and said, "But you told me you wouldn't bite me!"



The snake hissed, "You knew what I was when you picked me up. "

 

[krs]

"Actually, KRS, I don't think you really are an NRA member. I think you're a phoney. How's that?



Now looky at the name calling hypocrite.



Go look up #07901x031x4724xx and see if the member's initials aren't "krs", little boy. LOL

 

[NETim]

And I'm a 4 star general 'cause I say I am.



And you're still wrong.



Tim

 

[krs]

Oh,I didn't notice your stupid crack about having to be a member (a life member yet?) for the insurance policy. Don't make me laugh. That policy wouldn't pay for two of the guns I've got; cheaper insurance is easily available.



But anyway, guns or gun laws, the owning them or not do not and never would drive my voting choices. The truth is they are a very small right in the greater scheme as I see it. When there are people actively engaged in eavesdropping on me, when police have the law given right to invade my privacy, when citizens are encouraged to report on other citizens whenever they feel a suspicion or don't like my turban or the length of my hair, when law abiding citizens are swept away to who knows where without recourse to courts or even contact with their families the ownership of guns pales a little as an issue.



Now though, you've set your own tone and I've got no time for you. Inane and endless point to point arguments over possessions don't interest me and so, neither do you.

 

[Steve M]

That was a cute story about GW!



It's a shame really...

The democrats want to take our guns away. The republicans want mandatory Christianity. I don't see either party that's willing to just leave me the #^&% alone. But the feds don't know what I have in my closet or under the seat of my truck. It's much easier for them to tell if I don't go to church on Sunday morning. The feds are coming to get us and I'm scared to death either way.

 

[NETim]

Originally posted by KRS

Oh,I didn't notice your stupid crack about having to be a member (a life member yet?) for the insurance policy. Don't make me laugh. That policy wouldn't pay for two of the guns I've got; cheaper insurance is easily available.



But anyway, guns or gun laws, the owning them or not do not and never would drive my voting choices. The truth is they are a very small right in the greater scheme as I see it. When there are people actively engaged in eavesdropping on me, when police have the law given right to invade my privacy, when citizens are encouraged to report on other citizens whenever they feel a suspicion or don't like my turban or the length of my hair, when law abiding citizens are swept away to who knows where without recourse to courts or even contact with their families the ownership of guns pales a little as an issue.



Now though, you've set your own tone and I've got no time for you. Inane and endless point to point arguments over possessions don't interest me and so, neither do you.

blah, blah, blah... can't take the heat?



See this is another reason why I think you're ignorant (and a phoney). The "stupid" crack about insurance wasn't about your "possessions". As most NRA members already know, most gun clubs require members to be NRA members so that the club can get insurance through the NRA.



My advice is to resign from the NRA. You obviously don't support their agenda. How can you associate your name with them?



So gun rights are a "very small right?" Hmm... if the 2nd Amendment gets trampled, do the other 9 in the BOR get strengthened or weakened?



And while we're on the Patriot Act, remember, the act passed 99-0 in the Senate. I think that means some Dems voted for it, doesn't it?



My guns are more than a possession to me. They symbolize freedom. I haven't yet bought into the Left's "victim" indoctrination campaign. I still see myself as an individual with a free will. Guns will keep me free.



You don't understand the 2nd Amendment at all do you?



And as far as point to point arguments, sure you don't have the time. 'Cause you'd get your butt kicked.



Tim

 

[NETim]

Originally posted by Steve M

TThe republicans want mandatory Christianity.

Steve,



Who? Where? Conservatives want us to live moral lives, but I don't think anyone is forcing Christianity on us.



What's wrong with acknowledging that there is a right and a wrong? This moral relativism and situational ethics stuff has got to stop. "If it feels good, do it" may sound like fun. But it's no way to build a better society.



I think you're making this up as you go.



Tim

 

[Steve M]

Just like you said about the assault rifles. Who's opinion do we live by. Who is so righteous that he is qualified to decide for me what is moral. Christians on the right want all mention of evolution removed from children's access. Yet they want Christian values legislated. Would that be the Pope's Christian values or Jim Baker's? Definitely not Jesus' Christian values. We would all be so liberal we'd be handing out our earnings like candy to those more needy and less fortunate than ourselves. There would be no "upper class". And I wonder what Jesus would think of our guns? There's as much hypocrisy on the right as there is on the left. The left wants to tax me to death. The right is going after my paycheck before and after taxes. They won't be happy until blue collar workers are all making poverty level wages and handing that over to them in the form of "fees" to insure we're qualified to do our menial jobs. To think the con would even stoop so low as to try granting illegals amnesty for the sole purpose of undercutting minimum wage earners in this country and even give them training so the government can place them in the proper jobs that the government feels they're right for. That's as close to communism as I've ever seen in this country.

KRS, you seem like a sensible person. You can't argue with the Yosemite Sam mentality.

 

[smartineau]

Wow I pretty much brought up the gun issue and it took off and hijacked the entire thread oops!!



I must say that safety is the new name for control. I don't need an AK-47 or AR-15, but they are just the beginning. Under some of the many proposals of banned guns to be: Browning Auto-5 this gun is almost 100 years old. The Remington pump and auto hunting rifles. "Sniper rifles" those god awful rifles that have 'telescopic sights' The gun control/safety people say that "well we won't ban those hunting guns" So I'm good for a week or a year but one day they will take them if it is on the books as law.



Registration, look at the counties that have implemented registration. They soon took the guns.



Gun control laws only affect the law abiding citizen not the criminal, if a bad guy wants a gun they will get one and use it illegally.



Ben Franklin once said something like this:



If you give up freedoms and liberty to have security you deserver neither.



Don't pass more gun laws, many of the ones on the books are bad. If you are a gun owner I am quite sure that at one point or another you have committed a crime, that would now bar you from having any guns.



steve