KORE leveling kit

[evldsl]

sick dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[grfraz]

NICE!!!!!!! Oo.

 

[Bob4x4]

What do they weigh Greg?



Bob

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Wow,

How did I know that you would like them???? :-laf :-laf They are still pre-production wheels but it is looking like they will be available soon. As for the specs, I don't want comment on that now, it might change. The first articles would require you to run our glass fenders. With 37 inch tires there is no rub on the control arms. They are unfinished, unpolished, and unbelievable.





When I opened the box I was like WOW!!! :--)









Greg DRC

 

[JCleary]

Wow,







When I opened the box I was like WOW!!! :--)









Greg DRC

How did you look when you saw the invoice?



:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

:-laf What invoice... ... ... ..... :-laf :-laf :-laf



Greg

 

[Lorenz]

The Blue shock is a 10" travel KING



The Red shock is a 10" travel Sway-a-Way (SAW)



The Red photoshop line is the bottom of the frame.



1) I bottom out the KING shock metal to metal on itself at full compression. The standard 10" KING is too long for the Dodge application, with stock OEM bumpstops. I am only using 1/4" of the stock bumpstop before the shock bottoms out on itself. Notice were the "blue ring" is in relation to the frame, it's too low. This is KEY.



2) The Sway-a-Way will not bottom out on itself at full compression. Travel is not limited by longer bumpstops, and I can utilize a full 10" travel shock. The Sway-a-Way fits the Dodge application to a "T".



3) LORENZindustries towers measure 5. 25" from their base to the shock mounting bolt. I think Thuren has me beat on how tall his towers are. Do you concur Don?



Let's try not to get personal and try to stick to talking tech. I'll be the first to apologize for stooping earlier in the thread.



I'm a little disapointed from the emails I'm getting and you guys not quite getting what I've been saying about travel, shocks and bumpstops. I want everybody to ask questions, and not be intimidated about jumping into the thread.

 

[Doubleclutch]

Sean- It's been a while now, but doesn't Kore come with new poly bump-stops? Just wondering if the stock bumpstops are overmatched with any longer travel suspension.

Greg... the other one

 

[Bob4x4]

Sean- It's been a while now, but doesn't Kore come with new poly bump-stops? Just wondering if the stock bumpstops are overmatched with any longer travel suspension.

Greg... the other one

On our Glamis run the 2nd gen truck in the pics had bone stock suspension

Hie front stops were coming apart by Sunday AM. He was going less than 1/2 the speed I was. My stops still look like new,they are not stock but I think I may be adding air bumps soon Fast is never fast enough Oo.



Bob

 

[Lorenz]

If I were to use longer bumpstops with the KING I could limit the up travel of the axel and still use the KING shocks up front. The KEY being limited uptravel! I choose to use a shorter shock with the Sway-a-Way and keep the "Dodge engineered" up travel and geometry and still pull a TRUE 10 inches of travel. It's a compromise in travel if I were to use any other shock.



There are two issues to consider when upgrading the bumpstops. 1) Limiting axel travel to save the shocks from bottoming out on themselves and 2) Preserving the life of the Bump stops, and softening the last 2" of the suspension cycle somehow. #1 is addressed in the first paragraph, #2 is addressed below.



If your constantly bouncing off the stock OEM bumpstops you will chew threw them pretty quickly. If your driving the truck so hard that your chewing up OEM bumpstops after you have mounted Race Quality shocks, then you would need to jump up to Hydro bumps in my opinion. If your driving to the limits of needing hydro bumps, then your one bad swap away from going over onto your lid, and should probably have a full cage in your truck. This is my take on the subject.



I went this route with my Toyota. There's a point when you have to ask yourself "what am I trying to do with the truck. " I started playing and competing with it so hard, that hydro bumps were needed up front, I went to a 4 link set up in the rear with 16" bypass shocks and at that point I needed a full cage. If not for my own safety, I would have caged it for my future family to have a father. My Cummins is my daily driver and sometimes a play toy out in Glamis. It's not a $40k wannabe racer that I want to tear up. My Toyota is a $10K truck that will out handle and out perform my Cummins any day of the week off-road.



I didn't quite get exactly what you were asking Doubleclutch. If I missed it in my rant then ask again please.

 

[Lorenz]

$10k spent on the Toyota counts the cost of the vehicle + used shocks, hydro bumps, 5point harness, racing seats, custom fuel cell, new heims, used 9" rear end regeared and locked, a mildly built 4cylider 22re, blah blah blah, and all the material I put into the truck. Labor not included.



$40K gets me to the cost of the Vehicle only with the Dodge/Cummins.

 

[onesloryd]

Sean,

You make a good point about the cage. I have seen what one of these trucks looks like after a rollover and it is not pretty.

Matt

 

[onesloryd]

Just curious, I was looking at the KORE/Sidewinder Truck and from the picture seems that the bottom of the shock in a similar location as Lorenz King. Does anyone know if KORE uses a stock 10” body or is it a custom?

 

[kentkroeker]

The KORE Fox shock is all custom - shock shaft, body, hose length and reservoir. Valve profiles are designed to work with our spring rates.



Kent Kroeker



KORE

 

[onesloryd]

Kent,

Are you going to be offering springs similar to the black truck (progressive rate) or is that way too much for the street?

 

[kentkroeker]

onesloryd,



All the springs we make for Hemi, 2nd Gen. and 3rd Gen. Rams offer progressive rates.



I think you're referring to a new coil we now call "VR" for "Variable-Rate. " For the last year there have only been four of these coils in existence on trucks and only 20 sets used for testing. Where did you see them?



Two different coil pitches are combined into one coil. The advantage these coils offer is a dramatically non-linear rate curve allowing them to ride more softly than an OE coil on the street and over small bumps. When you hit large obstacles, they "ramp up" exponentially as the axle reaches full bump. When you plot them on an xy diagram they look impossible. On a truck they're simply amazing. To provide maximum bottoming resistance, the final segment of travel is only a few hundred inch lbs. less than what would warp your spring bucket - which is why we test every single coil to ensure they are built perfectly to spec - and also one of the many reasons why we include bump stops that provide more consistent performance than OE units.



We formally released these coils at SEMA. They'll be available in Spring, 2006 as part of a new KORE suspension system.



Doubleclutch,



To answer your question: Yes.



Additionally, Daimler Chrysler is currently testing two variations of KORE bump stops for use on the Powerwagon and potentially other models. DC told us they ran into the same problems we have with their rubber bump stops. Engineering requested a box of samples for testing, so we obliged. Soon you may see KORE parts coming straight from Michigan as OE.



Gents, we have very specific reasons behind our designs, reasons not apparent to dilettantes. They're reasons we're not going to divulge only to be copied later. These days we're so guarded about our products that we specially-built faux components for our displays at SEMA. Every new part that we exposed to the public was intentionally made an inch or two out of spec. - so Backyard Billy couldn't stroll by with a tape measure and gather useful data while our backs were turned.



2006 is going to be a great year. KORE will release three new Dodge-specific wheels and four new Dodge Ram suspension systems - one for 2nd and 3rd Gen. Rams, one for 3rd Gen. only, and two for the hot new IFS 1500 4x4, a truck that may end up being the next KORE race platform.



Over and Out,



Kent Kroeker

 

[Doubleclutch]

Jeez- if you're not careful, you'll learn someting every day

Even us dilettantes

Greg

 

[Lorenz]

I'll take the ribbing and I expect you to as well... ? fair? I'd like to address you aswell rather than play Politically Correct.



Kent,

I respectfully want to point out that you side stepped the real questions once again, with hoopla and non sequiturs. Big words are fun eh... ? Does the question need to be repeated?



With respect I'd like to point out that this dilettante just proved that his "Backyard Billy bob" fab is better than the big boys who consult for DC. 2" or @ 20% more uptravel doesn't lie, Do you concur? (Side note, I don't consider myself a fabricator, I'm just a blue collar working class stiff who knows the value of a buck).



I'll ask about the VR coils, and talk tech with you for the audience if you allow. I'll even go as far as guaranteeing I won't produce them in the future with out your approval I have a differing opinion on their usefulness. Will you allow the questioning? It's all common sense stuff, and I don't expect to play stump the professor, but would like to express opinions. You do understand this is the most free advertising we all have had on TDR right?

 

[blake underwood]

Lorenz,



Dude... GIVE IT A REST!!!

 

[onesloryd]

Kent,

If you don’t mind can you explain how your standard coils are a progressive rate? From the springs I have seen the coil spacing seems to be fairly linear. The only item I see that can contribute to a progressive rate is the spring taper. As for the variable rate spring can you explain how the spring rate can drop the more you compress it?