KORE leveling kit

[JDerbedrossian]

Jason... ... ..... you need to change your sinature... ... ..... 1 veteran lic plate :-laf



Bob

Both of you lost the front plates, and the best part is that both you guys made it up both hills, CRAZY STYLE.



Jake

 

[JHerrlich]

It's gonna cost me $45 to replace that plate... I don't know if I should even worry about it as I may be able to move into the house I bought in Texas soon.

 

[JTryles]

Hi guys,

I have had a lot of calls lately about leveling kits. We no longer stock the leveling kit. The Pace system, now called the Recon is a complete system and includes all the nice accessories that KORE manufactures. It also includes the HD coil that even I can't bend. Do a search and see what works, what we have broken, and why we have chosen the parts we use. It is clearly stated in early threads that the testing is there. Racing has proven the products, and satisfied customers say it all... .



Greg DRC

You should update your site to reflect you don't carry the Leveling Kit!



Anyway, is the kit (Chase, Pace and Race) the same for the 2006 as it was for the 2005?

 

[oilrunner]

I bought my 2" leveling kit from T-Rex about a year ago. At that time they were selling the leveling kit, that consisted of 2 heavy duty replacement front springs and 2 bilstein shocks for $500. 00, plus shipping. It works great and I am very happy with the setup. I can't see paying $800. 00 + for the same kit I purchased a year ago for $500. 00 bucks... .....

Ya got to ask yourself is it just inflation, or the need for GREEN????

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I bought my 2" leveling kit from T-Rex about a year ago. At that time they were selling the leveling kit, that consisted of 2 heavy duty replacement front springs and 2 bilstein shocks for $500. 00, plus shipping. It works great and I am very happy with the setup. I can't see paying $800. 00 + for the same kit I purchased a year ago for $500. 00 bucks... .....

Ya got to ask yourself is it just inflation, or the need for GREEN????

The leveling kit that we were selling this year is more advanced. It came with a HD Diesel Spring in the front, Bumpstops, Bilstein 5100 shocks and Billet Drop Blocks. That equals a ten percent increase plus the added parts.

I know the leveling kit works good but I believe the complete Pace system works better as a whole.

JTryles,

All KORE systems fit 94-06 HD Rams.



Greg DRC

 

[Bob4x4]

Both of you lost the front plates, and the best part is that both you guys made it up both hills, CRAZY STYLE.



Jake

I have my replacment paper plate and holder replacement courtesy of Fullerton Dodge :-laf I still have about twenty pounds of sand to donate from the cab :-laf :-laf :-laf



Bob

 

[Lorenz]

The Kore set-up is deceiving! You don't appreciate it till you look in the mirror and nobody is there. Jason had plenty of power (500+hp)in his shortbed but couldnt keep his tires on the ground and the frame off the bumpstops.



Bob

Let me recap the tread so far, out of respect for any readers who don't know Greg or I.



-Greg miss spoke about his product, easy mistake in my eyes, no harm no foul.



-I corrected Greg publicly while acknowledging KORE/Kents honesty in the past about the subject.



-Greg playfully responded with standard “one-upmanship”, and some tongue and cheek. :-laf



-I razed him back, and fueled the testosterone filled game of one-gunmanship. :-laf



There isn’t bad blood between us, frankly were on great talking terms, and I’m convinced, WHEN we see each other out in the desert we’d happily help each other out, have a laugh, and share a Corona afterwards. But, there is still competition. Friendly competition, that could be very valuable to our customers and to the readers of TDR. It’s a good and healthy competition between two honest companies. I say this, hoping to steer any readers away from reading anything more into it.



“Now, Back to the regular programmed show:”



Bob4x4, How do you think your ride would’ve been with 2” more up travel, and the re-instillation of the shorter OEM bump stops! I go out on a limb here by asking the question, and knowing you’re already a consumer of a great suspension product and a friend of Greg’s. I’d love to meet up at Glamis and strap on some Sway-a-Ways and re install the Dodge OEM bumps back onto your truck. Leave all other components the same and see if you can tell the difference of @20% more travel using SAW shocks… Let the competition begin…



And did somebody say $10k large on a ring? My friend, you and I our on the same playing field and coming from the same frame of mind…kind of. I‘ve just found a better way around Debeers and their marketing. I made my wife’s wedding ring, her engagement ring, and my wedding ring with my two hands, set them both with yellow diamonds, and still walked away w/o spending that kind of cash. Granted, I have admit, you have me beat in the WAM dept. I can guarantee your wife’s ring is BIGGER than my wife’s.



Oh yeh, Mr. LORENZ is my dad, I’m Sean. I hope I didn’t come off sounding smug talking about wives and diamonds, but I figured the analogy worked REAL REAL well.



Sean

 

[Bob4x4]

The way I want to drive the 7500+ pound truck is the same as I drive my 300lb Quad. I realize I am about 1ft short in the travel department. I think the taller bumpstops may cushion the blow a bit to protect that front axle. The stock bumpstops on Jasons truck were coming apart by Sunday morning. I don't think adding an inch or 2 will be enough. I was getting a bit of air maybe too much for an American axle. The ride is plush compared to stock. The whoops that were in the 1 foot range I could take at any speed as they got larger 2-3+ feet I had to back off as Greg had warned me. As I told you earlier I would have no problem trying out your set-up on my second gen and report back to the TDR Clan. Running the truck hard through the whoops at the base of olds and comp is the only way you can get an underpowered 3rd gen to the top



In more normal terrain 10" of travel is plenty and works great but at Glamis I get carried away and go Balls out when possible... ... ... ... . Middle age crazy.

Ready to upgrade the 2nd gen for the benefit of the TDR and Lorenze industries :-laf :-laf



Bob

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

“Now, Back to the regular programmed show:”



Bob4x4, How do you think your ride would’ve been with 2” more up travel, and the re-instillation of the shorter OEM bump stops! I go out on a limb here by asking the question, and knowing you’re already a consumer of a great suspension product and a friend of Greg’s. I’d love to meet up at Glamis and strap on some Sway-a-Ways and re install the Dodge OEM bumps back onto your truck. Leave all other components the same and see if you can tell the difference of @20% more travel using SAW shocks… Let the competition begin…





Sean

I guess since you keep insisting on bringing yourself into a thread about a KORE lift kit, and then talking tongue and cheek about me I will respond. If you are going to go after another company's customers, why don't you install your 580 coil while you are at it. We know from early testing, in the race truck, that the 580 coil cannot keep up with the current KORE HD Diesel coil, you see, the set that you get from a 580 allows it to compress too far and fail. In fact, I have bent a set of 580 coils like a crescent moon. The Desert Bull can back me up on that one. Misrepresentation is not what I am about. I have plenty of facts about what has been on the race truck. Everything that KORE sells has been "Race Tested" You are also quick to point out that a KORE bumpstop is too long, but in fact it's an integral part of the suspension system. It is longer so it can absorb more kinetic energy and disperse it accordingly. See, the whole idea here is to take an 8000 lb truck and make it work as good as possible. Having a 10 inch Fox shock made was a long and painful process. Having to limit it by . 5 inches to keep the truck from hurting itself does in no way hurt performance. It actually helps it enormously. The trucks now can go through the most heinous of terrain and not be damaged. That is why it is designed the way it is. Sure you could put a longer shock on a truck and go mosh it. Would it help? Could you damage your truck by dispersing kenetic energy to the chassis instead of transforming it into a thermal byproduct? Most likely, the effect would be catistrophic failure. I have had some damage of parts on my own truck in the brutal testing we do down the street from my house. I test every single day. Some of the parts we test end up in a dumpster. Many new parts have passed our tests and are coming down the pipe, soon to be released. Expect big things from KORE in 2006..... You will be amazed again!



Greg DRC

 

[JohnArnold]

Mr. Lorenz

I have The DRC race system, and from a customers stand point I have to say the Kore product may not be "race quality" but your shock towers do not have a "Perfesional Quality" look to them. They look like something the "back Yard" fab guy put together. The Thuren Fab, shock towers look better than yours do. So my point is when I am spending my WAM. I want something that work well "very well" first and looks like it works very well second. Remember the first impression is the most important. I'm not saying your system is junk I'm saying refine your visible parts to give that WOW reaction you know your whole system gives. Remember Men are visual people and like all "things" to have that WOW look. That is why we will spend 10G's of WAM on an upgrade for the lady in our life. We want the WOW in our lives.



curtis

I agree with this post. If you powder-coated your parts, you'd sell more



-J

 

[kentkroeker]

Bob,



The reason behind your bump stops was learned from racing. They're a lot more important than just providing increased durability.



No matter what anyone else says, every part that KORE sells has been used by us on a Dodge Ram during competition - to include the mini pak and our 2. 5" shocks. Last year we raced the Baja 1000 with parts that we don't sell with the current Race Series. It's taken a year of refinement but for 2006 those parts will be made available - and with a little 2. 5" shock the performance far exceeds what we were able to achieve with the one-off 3. 0"-based system we podiumed with last year. How? That's our business.



On TDR I used to go into a lot of detail about how our products are put to the test and what criteria determines a certain design. For obvious reasons, those days are over. We've got a lot of secrets now, secrets that can only be learned the hard way - you have to earn that knowledge from racing.



Greg was 100% correct when he said, "racing has proven the products. " He didn't misspeak, or fib. We call our flagship suspension the "Race System," (now "Race Series") not because it's "race inspired" or is comprised of parts that others, at one time or another, have used for racing; we call it the "Race System" because we used it on race courses for racing in a Dodge Ram pickup in the Stock Full class. Then we modified it to be safe, reliable and consumer friendly.



Cheers,



Kent Kroeker

 

[Bob4x4]

Kent. I understand the reason for the bigger bumpstop or I wouldn't have installed them. I had some extra large ones on my Last Chevy. I would much rather compress my stops than have metal to metal contact.

I bought the system because I know you did a lot of testing so I wouldn't have too.

I hope people will not think I am dissapointed,I am happy about the way the system worked for me. With all the air I was seeing in the dunes I am impressed with being able to pull the trailer home.....

I just found the limits,and it was a blast Oo. I am pretty sure that not many people will push the limits the way I do... ... ..... Greg excluded :-laf



Thanks Bob

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I just found the limits,and it was a blast Oo. I am pretty sure that not many people will push the limits the way I do... ... ..... Greg excluded :-laf



Thanks Bob

Bob,

Now what are you sayin' here buddy? Me Push the limits? Can you explain what limit means? That word is not one I regularly use.

I am glad you had fun at Glamis. These trucks are so much fun in the big dunes. I wish I could have come but duty calls... ... . BAJA!!!!



Oo. Oo. Oo. Greg DRC



See ya next week!

 

[THUREN]

Hey guys'...



MMMMMMMM... . GLAMIS!!! Can't make it this year, AGAIN!!! Dangit!! damn gamn damn damn damn damn ... Anyone know if the huge double(jump) is still there behind Olds? It was about 130' a few years back and I was curious to know if the dune shifted. I jumped it on my CR250 and though I was going to go into cardiac arrest mid air...



Anyway, just wanted to touch on the bumpstop deal..... IMO, the bumpstops are NOT just stops for the suspension. Like Greg described they are an integral part of the suspension. Now, the bumpstops "squish amount" still has to limit metal-to-metal contact, and more important, the stops have to be sure to keep the shocks from being the stops. If the shocks bottom before the bumpstops stop compressing you WILL have major issues, somewhere down the line... Preferably, I like to have the bumpstops control the last 15% of suspension travel (1. 5" on a 10" travel rig) to add a controled stop, instead of an abrupt "hit". It makes a HUGE difference in feel having the last few inches progressive.

I guess the main thing now would be to see if the KORE stops squish down to the same height as stock or not without maxing shock compression. If so, very cool!!! Or maybe they are keeping the shocks from ripping off the coil buckets and are taller and still stiff??? Dunno??? Either way they are 10" travel which will either be shifted to mostly drop if the longer stops are very stiff but if the shocks bottom it would mandate longer bumpstops..... Ok... ... now I'm rambling... . I think you get the idea...





Don... .

 

[Bob4x4]

Thuren,

Glamis hasn't changed too much,we had to see a biker get medivac'd on a back board... ... ... ... he was jumping down Comp.



I was using all my travel at Glamis and yes the bumps compress,I wish the air bumps didn,t cost so much.

The KORE system works great,its impossible to set it up for 2-4 ft whoops when you only have 10'' of travel. I have driven trucks with long arms,but on the street you have to give up too much



Bob

 

[testraub]

I think I have had my KORE bumpstops hit 3-5 times, but on pavement. I'd sure hate to find my shocks traveling WAY to much and end up with something bent. Thanks to KORE and DRC my truck can handle anything the Nations Capitals Road Ruiners can throw at it! And IF (and at some point I will) I have to go "Off-Road" I know I'm ready! Thanks KORE and DRC!

 

[THUREN]

Bob,

Yeah, Glamis is pretty consistent but for jumping, if the dune changes a few degrees in pitch, it might be questionable to jump. If the double behind Old's is right and jumpable there will usually be a few hundred people grouped around to watch... Just curious to see if I'm missing anything... :{

Anyway, with 10" travel you can do quite a bit, but the Glamis whoops along the highway are the U-L-T-I-M-A-T-E test. If you can hit them at various speeds up about 50-60mph you have VERY good suspension but it's a bit much to ask with 10 inches. I've actually been in a jeep Cherokee going about 60 over the biggest ones but if you weren't going 60 you were airborn!!!! :-laf





testraub,

you've probably had them hit more than 10 times at least, but didn't feel it. That's the whole point. Example... . I just re-did the entire suspension on a 40k buggy(at Glamis at the moment) which had JACKED suspension. It had way too stiff springs at would still bottom out AT LOT with too light valving. By going softer on the springs, changing the valving, and adding very soft compliant bumpstops the thing is a "glamis whoop killer"... He said today that it never bottomed out but that was only his impression, as the stops are now an integral part of the suspension..... It was bottoming on probably ever other whoop but it was designed to do that. You just dont feel it...



Don

 

[desertbull]

Ahhhh... I leave to race the Baja 1000 and I miss all the fun :--)



Bumpstops Rock!



Try the Fox Racing Shox 2. 5" Air Bumps on your Dodge Ram!!!! Fly Bigger - Badder and Better than the rest!!!!



Fox Racing Shox Rock Baja... the ultimate testing ground.



All I will say is they are BAD - AZZZZZZZZZZZZ



I preran the entire Baja 1000 race course in my 99 Dodge Ram CTD 4WD - 4 times over the course of a month prior to the race... all using Fox Racing Shox technology and the Carli Suspension system... sometimes we were hauling azz in the dirt at 70 mph and other times bumping along at 15 mph up the Summit rock garden. Carli Suspension installed the latest in Fox Racing Shox 2. 5 inch Air Bump Technology on my truck and flying is like you have never seen it before...



The Toyo Open Country Mud Terrain in a 37x13. 50x17 performed like no other tire to date. Not one flat in four weeks of prerunning on the same set. The rears were slightly chunked out from the extensive rock travel and beating of this year's incredibly difficult Baja 1000 course, however with all the abuse the tires continued to dig and claw my heavy azz truck out of Matomi and Chanate washes time and time again... I pulled more trucks out of those washes in four weeks than I can actually remember... the week prior to the race the silt was increasingly deeper and deeper and we continued to rage war with Baja.



I love to hear you guys talking about WAM and Suspension... makes me think back to the days of yesteryear when the boyz in Rosarito, Baja California developed the first of many Dodge Ram suspensions that are out there today... Good Stuff!



I'm working on an article that depicts the prerunning and testing of some incredible technology that suspension manufacturers have developed of recent. The competition between the various companies is all good for the consumer...



My . 2 cents is that these extreme parts need to be tested extensively on trucks that are really used in the wilds of Baja or the desert. Indeed, there are other locations than Baja for testing... but unless you put the product through the ultimate test... you'll just never know how its going to perform when King Boardman gets a hold of it.



Two weeks ago I was in the Borrego Wash area and one of my drivers on my team was driving his Ford Ranger Prerunner when we got into it in a long deep sand wash with some big azz bumps that those big trucks seem to develop when they are up on top digging big holes at speed... With the ATS Diesel box squeezing everything the truck had we were spitting big ol' rocks out the back as we got up to speed RIGHT NOW. Heading into a sweeper right turn I diced through two big bushy trees exploding the branches everywhere at 60 mph taking the short cut... my two fireman buddy co-drivers later told me... "You're friggin' pyscho!" We beat the Ford Ranger by 45 seconds to the wash exit rockcrawling over the canyon wall. We went from the deep azz sand wash to rock crawling in a matter of minutes... using a proven suspension built to withstand the brutality that the Baja Peninsula will dish out. Sure you can go to Glamis and run around on the sand at warp speed, but slamming rocks, silt and sand at speed will truly be the ultimate test. Those were the days when my Dodge looked so pretty... now she's a workhorse with over 275K miles on her... flatbed for the ultimate in Baja utilitarian purposes and one sweet workhorse.



Don't get me wrong... Glamis is cool but its far from the ultimate Baja test.



Sign ups for the ultimate Baja test are coming soon... a war of the Dodge Ram trucks.



We can test from San Felipe to Punta San Francisquito to Malarrimo Beach to Bahia Tortugas to Punta Abreojos and all the way back to San Felipe in 48 hours of non-stop torture with three drivers in each truck. Bring your big trucks with big tanks for the long runs...



Dang that sounds like a lot of fun...



Betting Odds on Winners: Available to bet in the Caliente in San Felipe, Baja Mexico



Kroeker - San Felipe to Gonzaga 1:1

Desertbull- San Felipe to Gonzaga 2:1

King Boardman- San Felipe to Gonzaga 2:1

Carli - San Felipe to Gonzaga 3:1

Lorenz - San Feliipe to Gonzaga 5:1

Bob4X4 - San Felipe to Gonzaga 2:1

Sherman - San Felipe to Gonzaga 2:1

Ivan - San Felipe to Gonzaga 2:1

RMuffles - San Felipe to Gonzaga 50:1



Kroeker - Gonzaga to PSF 3:1

Desertbull - Gonzage to PSF 1:1

Boardman - Gonzaga to PSF 1:1

Carli - Gonzaga to PSF 2:1

Lorenz - Gonzaga to PSF 5:1

Bob4x4 - Gonzaga to PSF 3:1

Sherman - Gonzage to PSF 2:1

RMuffles - Gonzaga to PSF 50:1



Maybe the rest to follow the next time I'm bored and need to make you guys all laugh!



Don't take everything so seriously... life is way too short to sweat the small stuff...



Desertbull... the originator of WAM!

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I'm Down Big Man!!!!

I just got back from a weekend of moshing through the very terrain you are talking about. 2 hours 20 minutes from Felipe to Gonzaga... ... . In the Dark. Robin Stover following very close and very fast... ... 90+ MPH in the fast sections and even the Big Red Truck had more to offer. People don't even know how good this suspension is until you go to Baja and drive very fast for hours on end. I am again amazed about how plush it is.

Nice bumps DB... . Who the F is Rusty Muffles? I am always one for the long shot but your laying down some pretty tough odds on guys who have never even put a foot in Baja much less ran with the big dogs... ... . Bring that big Tank out to the Stumps for a run to the river at speed through the desert. Laughlin is calling our names... ... . Looser buys!!!! :-laf :-laf :-laf



Greg DRC



The white truck is doing about 75 MPH with a camper shell... ... Oo.

 

[Bob4x4]

This is one of the first real discuusions I have seen here in last few years Oo.

Db do I get improved odds... ... ... I have Hella lights and a Defiant bar too :-laf :-laf

I grew up driving in the deserts of Arizona, Nevada,and California with a few underage runs to the Border. But I don't need to buy so many tires when I stick to the sand.



Bob