KORE's "New website"

[ASchwartz]

Avi,

Thanks for the info. , I thought I read somewhere that Bob was doing hydro bumps.

Yes, he planned on having them for this trip, however, they did not come in time.



Avi

 

[BBarner]

How can you compare the two videos/trucks when they are not on the same stretch? It would be nice to see each of them on the same run - then you could compare!

 

[JCrockett]

How can you compare the two videos/trucks when they are not on the same stretch? It would be nice to see each of them on the same run - then you could compare!

I agree, to me it looks like one section is rougher than the other, but what do I know I am 4000 miles away. :-laf

 

[Lorenz]

great videos sean, i like it when i can see if this stuff really works or it is just for looks. now hows that dodge do in the woops between th glamis store and vendor row?

Those ones are on hard pack. They'd chew up the paddles, and they are bigger. I'd say that section pushes the 2' mark. I have already pushed it further than I would like to with out a full cage, helmet, and 5 point harness'. Frankly I wouldn't suggest anybody take whoops at speed; one bad swap is all it would take to end up on your lid.



Bob, my Truck was Set for Race? Isn't it your kit that is called the "Race System" (There's a couple of good jokes in there, but I'll leave well enough alone).



Remember this Quote from a day or two ago?

Diesel Dan:

Sean should consider it his lucky day that he get's to live another day. However Bob4X4 should not have any problem with the spanking/demonstration.

I don't want to hang you out to dry like your KORE buddies did, so please don't think I'm aiming for you... All of us skinny fellows need to stick together. :-laf



My truck is set on "Usable". Then again I've never raced the Baja, so who am I to say? 2. 5 Series Shocks, 12/15 valving is how I ship the kits, 15/15 is what was in the truck. 10" of TRUE, measurable travel, that doesn't collapse my shocks metal to metal. The rears are valved the same as what I ship, 8/12. Have you opened up your Fox shocks yet to check your valving, has anybody with a "Race" system opened up their shocks? Has anybody measured their travel with their Race system, Does anybody know any facts about what they bought?



I don't now if the set of whoops were bigger at the drags, they were definitely shorter. They sure seemed bigger in your truck. :-laf I think you'll agree our pass in your truck was at night and we never did get out of the truck, or make a slow pass at the drags, in order to see what we were driving over. Would you say 5-10 whoops in a row, maybe a 100' long section before it went flat? We were off the ground at whoop 1 and nose first into whoop 3 totally skipping #2.



The section at venders row, that I ran was at least a football field long and then some. The speedo read 80mph, I would venture a guess that I was moving at 40mph? If you look at the slow motion video you can see I was doubling them up right off the line, kind of like you were at the drags. When my Truck got up to speed, it started skipping over the top of the whoops. I admit, the whoops were sized differently from beginning to end. They were the tallest right off the bat, and near the end of that run, I dropped my wife off in the middle for the video. You should've tried that section before we left...



All of this to say, I personally think skipping a $40k Truck off whoops at 40mph is one of the more stupid things a person can do, but it proved a point. A truck can be set up to handle more gracefully, with a better designed suspension system, at a price point that is value driven.



Has Diesel Dan ever driven his KORE truck out in Glamis? It's been there a time or two from what I hear.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Sean,

My "Kore" truck has never been to glamis. It was their once "stock" but thats it. If it was though, I wouldn't be afraid



I find it interesting that you never did a side by side comparo on the same whoops.



If i was going to try to prove my "stuff" was as good or better than their "stuff" i would have made sure that i did. but that's just me.....



maybe you are smarter than i thought.



DD

 

[Bob4x4]

Well Bob lets see the KORE race truck is a short bed, the suspension is supposed to be similar to what is you have on your truck and I am pretty sure Sean is willing to share his valving & pressures. Also if I am not mistake Sean hauled his camper out to Glamis.

By the way doesn’t your truck have the full race setup plus hydro bumps?

Are you running the new VR coil?

From the video it looks like you need the new progressive leaf pak.

Guys try not to take this so personal!!!!



Sean and I as well as everyone else that came out had a great friendly time out there camped,ate and drank around the campfire. I actually use my truck as Sean does. I towed my airstream trailer out (850 lb tongue wt) there and Sean unloaded his camper right next to mine. I like my truck on the soft side on the street . . it makes my wife happier to come with me when I go out to have stupid fun I am going to add the hydro bumps up front so I can keep my softer valving but have a little more progression before the hit. Sean has measured both our trucks for travel up front,the first time when we were camping at Palmdale and again this time when I was drinking with the boys around the campfire. He is frustrated that no one is listening and I understand that.

I do not have the vr coils but I would like to, how bout a loan :-laf :-laf All I have on the truck is off the shelf. I have no connection with Kore at this time but have known Greg for years through TDR and met Kent when he came to one of our chapter meetings a few years back.



So anybody that wants to know more should just jump in their trucks and come on out next time we go out





Bob

 

[Lorenz]

Sean,

I find it interesting that you never did a side by side comparo on the same whoops.



If i was going to try to prove my "stuff" was as good or better than their "stuff" i would have made sure that i did. but that's just me.....

DD

I thought you of all people would remember what happen 5 days ago. I tried to get the side by side thing going... and oh, we were so close...



Bob's not my competition, nor would I expect him to hold the flag for your team, like you expected. He's just a guy. If you recall, I was asking for the Race truck to show along with one of the dealers.



I'll even go as far as publicly apoligizing to Greg Boardman, like I did over the phone to him, for trying to hold him accountable for Kent's actions twords my company. If you haven't gotten it by now I'm a little miffed. Nothing like behind the scenes drama taken to a Public forum...

 

[kparker]

Hey Lorenz, who is your competition? I am curious if you really think KORE(or anyone else for that matter), considers you a competitor. It sounds like Bob4x4 was more than willing to compete for short little jaunt. Maybe you should take what you can get.



Hypothetically speaking, if I were to create a new cigarette tomorrow, who would be bothered? I mean, I could tell everyone how great it was, but do you think the CEO of PhillupMorris would show up for a little smoke down. Puff for puff against me, the self-proclaimed baddest cigarette designer for the budget minded hard core smoker? Ha ha ha. No! I should probably sell a few million dollars worth first. Makes sense to me, and probably a lot of other people on these forums that are willing to pay some hard earned cash for good suspension.



Bottom line is keep working at improving your suspension, instead of giving bogus comparisons of how much better it is than everyone elses.....

 

[TDRadmin]

Hijacked Thread - About to be Fixed

Official Notice, the thread's name is, "KORE's New Website. " But it seems to have veered in other directions. In and of itself, that might be OK. I can simply split it into two threads, each with an appropriate title.



If the bickering continues, I'll either split it, or I'll shut it down.



Problems? PM me.



Robin

TDR Admin

 

[ohnoitsyu]

Very well then.

I think the KORE website is priceless. No, really. There are no prices listed. The dealers don't have any prices listed either. What's up with that - is it a secret?

 

[JDerbedrossian]

No flames please, this is my own observation. Look at these pics carefully of both systems shocks. KORE race system shocks bottom out, LORENZ race system still has about 1/2 inch left, so one system does have 10 inch of travel and one doesn't. I think KORE fixed this with their ULTIMATE KIT im not sure but im sure GREG will set me and us straight. Again please I like both companies the same but this is what i saw. My personal truck is like frankenstein, 4 inch superlift with kore leaf pack and t-rex front stabilizer so no favoritism here.



Jake

 

[JOblenes]

No flames please, this is my own observation. Look at these pics carefully of both systems shocks. KORE race system shocks bottom out, LORENZ race system still has about 1/2 inch left, so one system does have 10 inch of travel and one doesn't. I think KORE fixed this with their ULTIMATE KIT im not sure but im sure GREG will set me and us straight. Again please I like both companies the same but this is what i saw. My personal truck is like frankenstein, 4 inch superlift with kore leaf pack and t-rex front stabilizer so no favoritism here.



Jake

No flame here, hopefully just the start of some really good technical discussion. Sean has said a few times times, that he has a little left on the shock travel, that he does not want bottoming out on the shock body but wants it ALL on the bump stop. That is a great photo, obviously his system is working as designed. Just because the KORE shock shaft is clean does not mean they give 10 inches of travel, aren't the original Kore Race shocks only 8" (or less) to begin with (please correct me if I am wrong) , a clean 8" shaft does not equal 10 inches? Sure they may have fixed this in their new system but at what price? As I said in my opening posts on this thread it would appear that they are going with more lift to get it, and introducing geometry problems to boot. I would also be very worried if they are consistently using the shock as a bump stop as it appears in that photo, that is not a good idea.

 

[RMuffles]

deaver or not, lorenz

just wondering if you are offering a deaver mini pack with your system

since you have a deaver logo on your website. as far as i know kore is the distributor for dodge deaver springs, and ddoesn'tmake much since for kore to sell deaver spring packs to a company that is copying what they have worked hard to build. i shall drop a line tomorrow to deaver to see if you are selling there mini packs or could it be a small case of false advertisement

either way im sure the guys at deaver will be interested.

i am surrounded by trucks that have kore in there blood, we pound the backroads like no outher 8000 lb trucks had done before kore came along,

and if kore had not come to market i guarantee there would be no lorenz ind.

so back off on the trash talking and accept the small piece of the market that kore has generously given you, just like road kill for a crow

and when you are playing in the dunes we will be prerunning for the san felipe 250, far more torturing then anything a lorenz sporting truck has experienced.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

trash talking has stopped, please guys no more I dont want this thread to close.



Jake

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

No flames please, this is my own observation. Look at these pics carefully of both systems shocks. KORE race system shocks bottom out, LORENZ race system still has about 1/2 inch left, so one system does have 10 inch of travel and one doesn't.

Jake

Hi Jake,

I think what you have failed to recognize is that the KORE shock has optimized maximum travel leaving 1/8th of an inch of dirty shaft. To me that means that the bumpstop has reached maximum energy absorbtion before the shock has bottomed out. For an 8000 lb truck getting launched 3 feet in the air. I would say that is pretty good. As for doing a comparison on system to system, Lorenz admitted that his system was designed for only traveling for 300 yards over whoops, for the guy who wants to play around on the sand pile. He also admitted that with the stiff valving he was using to suck up the bumps, shock oil would overheat and eventually fade away if trying to compete on a race through the desert with me. To me, that means that there is no compairison. I do have to commend Fly-n-High Bob 4x4 on an awsome run in the sand. Didn't look to bad for off the shelf parts, huh?



Greg DRC

 

[JOblenes]

Hey Greg, do you have any info to offer on the actual travel length of the Kore race series shocks (not the ultimate race shocks) that you market?



Thanks,

 

[JOblenes]

Hi Jake,

... Lorenz admitted that his system was designed for only traveling for 300 yards over whoops, for the guy who wants to play around on the sand pile. He also admitted that with the stiff valving he was using to suck up the bumps, shock oil would overheat and eventually fade away if trying to compete on a race through the desert with me. To me, that means that there is no compairison. I do have to commend Fly-n-High Bob 4x4 on an awsome run in the sand. Didn't look to bad for off the shelf parts, huh?



Greg DRC

Funny, here is a quote from Kent on the DTR website (http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14308&page=3&highlight=kore)



"... The average guy isn’t going to bash whoops at Plaster City in his 40,000 dollar Dodge. But he will want to load his truck with SCUBA tanks and a week’s worth of gear then go fast on rough, washboard roads. For this kind of driving you don’t need a 3. 0 shock. In a 3rd Gen Ram doing 60 – 70 mph on the road to Puertocitos, the Fox 2. 5’s we use average 165 degrees (@ 85 degrees ambient). You still have to slow down for the vados, but by the time you reach the coast, the shocks are all the same temp – 165 degrees. These low temps have to do with spring rate and valving. Lots of testing helped us get what we wanted – at least 10 iterations of coils, 8 different mini pack combinations and over 100 revalves. Some of you who are used to 20 + inches of travel may raise an eyebrow at these temps, but remember, we’re dealing with only 10” of travel in these trucks. When the shocks go over 200 degrees they go away. Bashing whoops leaving Santo Domingo during the 500 inspired the transition to the 3. 0 shock for the 1000. "



Its nice to hear an even perspective from Kent that there are, in fact, limitations that even the Kore system must suffer. You are saying the shocks won't fade in a race with you, but clearly Kent is saying the opposite and that some feel even his shock temps are on the high side.



I am hoping Sean will eventually post his shock temps after use so that the TDR membership can compare competative offerings. I will eventually post data from my own Lorenz system. I do have a laptop with National Instruments DAQ system and I will be doing measurements while I offroad this summer. I plan to outfit the sway-a-ways with dynamic pressure transducers to measure the oil pressure from which you can deduce the load on the shocks while they are in action as well as displacement with an LVDT, should be cool, a realtime shock dyno.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I didn't say that shock temps soaring would not cause fade. The KORE stuff is valved to do just what Kent was talking about above. Bashing whoops at Plaster City is nuts. 3 foot Trophy Truck whoops are not possible in a truck this limited. That is just the fact. I have seen the black truck equipped with the Chase series by Fox mash Big San Felipe whoops on the side of the hwy. Not something many others would do in a truck this heavy. But testing is testing. It is done continually, at KORE and through DRC. If you build it they will come is my theory. The new Unlimited Race Series offers an increase in droop and bump. 25% more performance than before. It is top secret due to unspoken reasons. Give me a call to discuss what the benefits are from installing an Ultimate. I am always available to answer any questions.

Greg DRC

 

[Lorenz]

Hey Greg, do you have any info to offer on the actual travel length of the Kore race series shocks (not the ultimate race shocks) that you market?



Thanks,

MR. Kroeker,



I would respectfully ask you to address a direct question that your dealer has over looked. I couldn't find the information on your new website.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Maybe you should call Matt Lingua... ... ... . He already gave you a Kore VR coil to copy, he should already know what lengths the shocks are. Or you could do a little R&D yourself and figure out the shock lengths you need. The reason we are tight lipped now is because of people like you Sean. Copying something that people put a lot of hard work into is not widely accepted in our industry. That is why I do not manufacture suspension myself. I have all of the formulas, the knowledge, and the resources at hand to design my own system. The thing is, that is just plain old wrong. I have what is know as honor my friend, pride, and confidence. A solid work ethic. Toiling for days on end to make what I do the best. If you think that we don't see you trying to validate yourself with our hard work, you are greatly mistaken.



This is not something that should be posted or discussed on public forums. You have taken it here and I am done. I will no longer comment on any of your useless questions and quotations from posts that were written a few years ago. Talk all you want about me. I am just a distributor, not a manufacturer. Just a guy who sells cool stuff and is a diesel truck enthusiest. I am very luck to have a job where I work for myself and get to do what I enjoy. For that I will be ever faithful to the TDR member base for allowing me to do so. I will always be there to answer any and all questions for the TDR members. But with you Sean, I am done... .



Greg DRC