Latest B-1 Bomber Turbo R&D Performance Specs

[Jetpilot]

I don't understand the heartache with KK's business practice... . He is doing all the legwork on this turbo and should profit from it. I really can't say what a fair markup is, but as they say "it is what the market will bare". Other business' market products under their name instead of the manufactors name and are not put down for doing it. Also other business' sell items but won't tell you exactly what they are. A good example is DD's new cam, they won't even sell you a cam, you also must have them install it. Why, so people won't just run out and have one ground and DD bare all the expense for the research yet get none of the profits for it. I think everyone here wants to purchase parts a cheaply as possible (myself included) but I don't think just because KK won't give away technical info he is doing something bad! But everyone must decide what is best for them.



Now as for me I took the plunge, sent KK the $$ and my turbo is on the way! I wanted a turbo that would not leave me or my family stranded and this one looks like it will do the trick. The extra cost can kinda be viewed as insurance. I can push my truck pretty hard and after speaking personally with the guys that have been running it I wanted/needed one. I may find out later that I could have saved some $$ by figuring out what KK is doing, or maybe not. But either way I will still be happy with my decision to purchase a B-1!



I think we all owe people like KK, Edge, DTT, DD, ect. a BIG "THANK YOU" for researching and developing products for the CTD owners. Yes they may make a profit but if they didn't do you think we would have them all in business? Just my $. 02 worth.

 

[KatDiesel]

For anyone, don't like the price? Don't buy it! Problem solved. Plenty people will pay whatever he asks for it, because it works.

 

[HVAC]

Those Companies Are Familiar

Jet, your too new to know that I was the one to bring knowledge of the DD injectors to this board.

I was told not to do it but I haven't enjoyed a product more then the stage III injectors. I bought the first 50 EZ's from Edge and prior to that the Power edge. Ever hear of SPA gauges? Oh yeah, you mentioned DTT. The first group presentation for DTT was here in San Jose. We (Performance Diesel) were very high on Bill's new product. Interesting that you should mention DD, DTT, and Edge



Now we have the best turbo I have seen and tested. This is another winner that has surpassed everything we have done previousely.



CAnderson, regarding your concern about the model numbers being ground off. Please ask Piers (who you mentioned in your post on this topic) about your dislike of this practice. BD was the first that I know of to remove the label off turbos they sold. I am not offering an opinion one way or the other here, only pointing out that there is a precident. When you talk to Piers, ask him what the retail is on the VGT turbo. Real pricey BTW.



Along with all the turbo research a comrade and I did this last year there was a particular turbo that was supposed to set the world on fire. Well it didn't! Matter of fact, it sucks. Cost you ask? Over $1,600 bucks. And it has all the data plates on it. Is that preferable to anyone out there in turboland? POS turbo but by gosh I have the data plate here in my hand?



I'm wonderin' what difference it makes to CAnderson, or anyone else who manufacturers the turbo. Either it works or it's junk (OK, there's some in between). Why would anybody be so preoccupied with the manufacturers name as contrasted by the performance testing data?

 

[KWIKKURT]

Re: turbo

Originally posted by Brandon

i think all the wives will agree with canderson.

i could get three new pairs of ostrich's boots.





(brandons wife)

danelle





I'M NOT BRANDON



ps brandon says proof is in pudding.

Sorry danelle, I missed your sig!



P. S. would you give Brandon the key for his hitch cover??

 

[Jim Fulmer]

To all of you!

Last night I was a little worried that there was too much mud slinging going on but that is life! Well for folks like me in a slightly limited income(not to slight) I really enjoy hearing to you sqwak, rabble and the giving of info, there is allot to be heard from all of you, there are some dang good products out there and some just push to promote them as they should (it's an opinion and a pump) of what they believe in. Kurt, keep you hat on and press your products as the others will do, they should! It is up to us to pass on the TDR and all the info (I keep flyers in my truck and pass them out) Cost, what is cost! We drive an exspensive truck and we like to tweek it for more power, cause it is fun! More power to the American Way.



Jim

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Ok, if it is Kurt's turbo guy that is grinding off the numbers, then I should apologize Kurt. Sorry Kurt!! And if this turbo really is all that work that that CUMMINSTRKN says it is, I can see the reason for the cost. THAT WAS ALL I NEEDED PEOPLE!!!! DAMN it took a lot of *****in' to get to that!! Why didn't that information come out of hiding forever ago? Ok. No more #@$%!. All I was asking for from the begining was a REASON FOR THE HIGH $$$$. So . If it goes up another 200 bucks I will be :{ . Oh well. My goal is to have one before May Madness. (which I just registered for )

 

[Jim Fulmer]

All those signs are crackin' me up!:--) :-{} Oo. :{ You are a class act, keep it commin.



Jim

 

[Cummins Corvette]

The new smiles are cool! Keep em' comeing!!:--) :-{} :{ Oo. #@$%! :-laf

 

[KWIKKURT]

OK now I am lost. CANDERSON what does it matter if I or my machinest grinds of the part No's????? I still won't tell what parts we use or what custom work it takes to make a B-1.



At first I thought this was funny, I was almost Flattered! "Monopoly" LOL



Now I have grown tired of your ramblings of Over Priced this, Secret that, $400 Garret marked up to 1,500 - $1,700,All products similar to mine cost about 1/2 as much, and do basically the same thing,You will just have to trust me that the price is fair because I will not tell you what you are buying to give you anything to compare it too,That garret turbo I bought cost 600 plus tax, NEW. It is way heavier than the B1,If you are the trusting type, and wouldn't mind paying 1700 for what could be a 400 dollar turbo,vI don't want to tell you why it costs twice as much as everyone else’s XXXXXXX, because... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . , well it was my idea, and you are going to pay for the research I have done... ... . "Oyeah I almost forgot" ... LAG,LAG,LAG..... ETC



All about a Turbo you have never seen personally or ridden in a truck that has one or been able to find any negative remarks from any other person that has. You are the only one on that soap box...



Where do you get this stuff?????



Until today (Elsewere!) my turbo has never even been advertised it is only on inquiry's that I even mention the current price ($1500) [Sorry Moderators I am tired of this BS] Where are you getting this $1700. . ? Who is forcing this turbo on you???



CAnderson--Two things I am going to say then I will not waste my time or anyone else's Posting or Replying to your NONSENSE!





One... ... . the only way to Quote someone is to say exactly what they have said or written. Not what you have sat around and dreamed up.



Two... . Your price for a B-1 is around $10,000 US Postal money order Only..... And No refunds... + Down Pipe and Shipping







P. S. Please Read my New Sig and PLEASE Stop WAY OVER ABUSING THE Smilies!!!!



MODERATORS>>>> PLease Feel Free to Shut down this thread as it is way off of it's intended purpose of supplying the Many Requests for B-1 R&D results. Thx Kurt 505-534-0434

 

[Cummins Corvette]

I appologize Kurt. The only thing I was looking for was the REASON for the high price. Information that you had failed to give me, even though I asked for it TWICE!! Now it has come to shouting at each other on this thread. If you are going to #@$%! over someone asking for an explanation of the high price, then that is your right. Once again I appologize for upseting you so much in trying to get an answer.

 

[Brandon]

back to the subject at hand



I have installed one and I have ridden in one



bombed 24v auto with a b1... ... ... ... ..... I am impressed

it had all the characteristics we are looking for

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Is it true that a 24 valve will have less lag than an identically set up 12 valve? I spoke with a guy at a local injection shop that said that 24s have less lag than a 12 valve because the 24 valve flows more air. Any truth to this?



P. S. - Kurt, if you don't want to sell me a B1, that is your choice. I still don't know if it is worth that much to me. Anyway, take it easy.

 

[Brandon]

I still think there are a few good viable turbos on the market... I just talked to kurt about 12v and b1... ... ... . hopefully soon we will bed able to tell ya how good it will be on a 12v... ... ... give it some time

 

[rubberneck]

What is that saying about price... ... If you have to ask how much it costs you probably... . yada yada yada... Speed costs how fast do you want to go.



Oh yeah, i saw a B1 it sure is a perty thing, but it would be better looking under my hood... . The owner said no lag, kick a$$ top end. I believe he said he was getting 8 psi more and 400 degrees less on the pyro with almost no more lag than his hy35. can you say WOW.



I guess the simple answer to why does it cost more. IT DOES MORE, AND DOES IT BETTER.

 

[KWIKKURT]

CANDERSON,



Apology accepted. I will lower your price to $9,500. .







I will be posting some pics soon of the B-1 in new "Designer Colors"... ... I have had some of the componets (inc. the Exh Manifold) treated with a cermanic process to see how it effects different temperatures. If nothing else it sure looks KEWL!



Thx Kurt

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Thanks Kurt!! I think I will send ya $10,000. 00 anyway. Just for the helluvit, eh?

 

[csutton7]

does that 10g's cover the new coating??? LMAO, KK on the 9. 5g's... chris

 

[BPINE]

Hey Kurt were you thinking of me when you decided to make it look GOOD?

 

[Floor It]

Kurt,could I get mine in Flame Red?:-laf Oo. PLEASEOo. Oo.

 

[csutton7]

yea RED for me too--please, oh perty please----chris