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I've been receiving tons of questions wondering what's coming down the pike for the new Ram (DR). Rather then trying to answer all the eMail, I thought I'd put together a column reviewing Dodge's future plans for their all new truck.



In early fall of 2002 Dodge will be launching the 3/4 ton and 1 ton version of the DR (2500/3500). On the outside they will be identical to the ½ ton (1500) truck arriving in dealerships now. The biggest news is an expanded power-train line-up.



Chrysler's all new 5. 7 liter HEMI V8 will be the cornerstone of the line-up. The engine features a cast-iron block with aluminum heads. It has a single camshaft with two valves per cylinder and two spark plugs per cylinder. The Buzz is that the production engine will put out 320+ horsepower and more than 400 lb. ft of torque. It will be built at Dodge's Saltillo, Mexico engine plant. The aluminum cylinder heads will be supplied by Nemak SA of Monterrey, Mexico. It's estimated that DC will build over a quarter of a million of these engines annually. While the majority will end up in 2500/3500 Rams the Buzz that there will be "extremely limited" availability in the 1500 truck. These will probably be badged as Ram R/T's.



The third generation of the 5. 9 liter Cummins turbo diesel engine is sure to be a popular option. I covered the improved engine in last Friday's Buzz. The new diesel will be available with either a six-speed manual transmission or the Allison 5-speed automatic.



There is one fly in the ointment. One of my Ace Buzz Patrollers in Detroit reports that the Allison contract is currently in limbo. Though the contract has already been inked, Allison is a division of GM. GM and Chrysler are currently involved in a lawsuit regarding the use of the 7-slot Jeep grill on the upcoming Hummer H2. The Buzz is that GM is trying to block the contract as retaliation for the lawsuit. My source is "99 percent sure" that GM will end up honoring the contract.



Last year Car & Truck News broke the story that Dodge plans to build a medium duty Chassis Cab version of the new Ram codenamed DC. These trucks will be badged Ram 4500 and 5500's. One of my Ace Buzz Patrollers got a close look at a DC test mule a couple months back. He reported that the big truck looked a lot like the DR, except bigger.





The Cummins will not be used in the DC. Instead Dodge has opted to use the Mercedes built OM906 engine. The 6. 4 liter in-line six uses a 18-valve head (with two intakes, and one exhaust valve per cylinder). At its base rating the electronically controlled, turbocharged engine, puts out 190 HP @ 2300 rpm and a 520 lb. ft. of torque @ 1200rpm. At its top rating the mill cranks out 300 HP @ 2300 rpm and 860 lb. ft of torque @ 1400rpm. The engine is currently being offered in the new Mercedes Unimog truck and other applications.



It will be offered with either a six-speed manual transmission or the Allison 5-speed automatic. Since the Allison 1000 Series TM 5-speed automatic has a max torque input of 545 lb-ft (and 375 hp) the version of the OM906 used in the DC will have to be rated slightly lower then that. One of my Ace Buzz Patrollers reports that the DC will make its debut in the summer of 2003.



Half way through the 2004 model year Dodge will also begin offering the OM906 diesel in the 1 ton (3500) version of the DR. The only gas engine offered in the DC will be the refreshed version of the 8. 0 liter V10 currently used in the 2500 and 3500 Rams. There had been Buzz that Dodge was developing a new V10 based on the architecture of the new 5. 7 liter. However, Dodge decided against this, probably due to the cost of the program vs. production volumes.



Lastly, I still receive questions daily from readers wondering when we'll be seeing a production version of the Power Wagon concept. As previously reported, Dodge has shelved plans to build a full size truck based on the design.



I recently received confirmation of my previous reports that Dodge was planning to build a limited edition version of the truck alongside the Viper and Prowler at the Conner Avenue plant. Unfortunately the program was canceled early last fall. The only silver lining is that Dodge has incorporated the Power Wagon's styling into the next generation Durango and Dakota.



i may wait until the 2003 medium duty.....
 
Same exterior as the 1500? I thought DC was going to have a seperate design for the 2500 and 3500 like the Ford Superduty. If the body is the same, then I guess this means there will be no full size crew cab :mad: I have seen the new 1500 4 door, and it is NOT a full size crew cab. Is DC so far out in left field that they think we need more engine options? We need MORE FULL SIZE DOORS!!!



If this is true, DC just gave a few hundred thousand customers to Ford..... again



This just ruined my day!!
 
UGGG

I agree, but our only hope is that when the med duties come out, they will not be built on the same platform. ,...
 
Originally posted by JConley

Same exterior as the 1500? I thought DC was going to have a seperate design for the 2500 and 3500 like the Ford Superduty. If the body is the same, then I guess this means there will be no full size crew cab :mad: I have seen the new 1500 4 door, and it is NOT a full size crew cab. Is DC so far out in left field that they think we need more engine options? We need MORE FULL SIZE DOORS!!!



If this is true, DC just gave a few hundred thousand customers to Ford..... again



This just ruined my day!!



And its F#$%ing ugly to. :mad: :mad: We need something good looking, with 4 full size doors.



I heard the rumor that when Dodge did the RAM in 94, Ford was too far along with the 1500 to change the looks. But they immediately got on updating the Super Duties. I heard they were originally going to have the same look for both. Anyways it seems that Dodge created good looking model lineup. Ford ended up with one ugly model and and the remaining good looking lineup. So what does Dodge do? Copy the ugly one and then change the enire lineup to match. What are these people thinking?



I have seen the 4 door 1500's on the road. When my 97 needs updated if that is my choice, I will be a Ford owner next.
 
Slybones

I agree about the new 1500 being... ... ... ... ... ... . "F#$%ing ugly" I saw one up at New EWngland Dragway this past weekend. AllI could think of is why Dodge is making the RAM look like a Phord:confused:

I'm hoping that the medium duty rigs will look like Big Red. Now that's a sweet looking rig. :cool:
 
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Just got my Dodge magazine in the mail from my dealer, and they have a big article on the new Ram. This paragraph made my stomach churn.



... . Engineers and other surrogart customers drove the new rams around town during successive stages of contruction to evaluate quality... The group responsible for quality issues enlisted a wide range of participants from platform team members to members of the WOMENS COMITTEE, a group within DaimlerChrysler created to test drive vehicles in development. Dodge often uses the group to get expedient and efficient feedback from women of all ages.



WTF??? is the design of the new Ram decided by a bunch of dikes?? Hey... If they want immediate feedback, they need to get there heads out of there a** and discover the Internet. Even the Ford guys say that DC needs a Crew Cab.



Here are the morons that we need to E-mail and congratulate them for taking 9 years to make a truck 3 inches longer than the quad cab! I dont have their information, someone might be able to dig it up.



Scott Kunselman is the senior manager of vehicle development for the Ram.



Paul Shefferly is director of truck program management (or mis-management whatever the case may be... )



My day has gone from bad to worse :mad:
 
I saw a nice Ford F250 Crew Cab/short bed today....

If it's true, and the next gen 2500/3500 use the

same cab as the new 1500, I know what my next

truck will be.

Women's Committee... sheesh, that's one reason

(the major dislike about the new vette is it's

fat, flat backside) is that the C5 Vette had a

majority of it's design is based on input from

a Womens comittee... blagh blaugh... ack... :D



:rolleyes: :D
 
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