Latest Oil Anlaysis report on my truck

[steved]

Gary:



Any idea why it increased? A couple increased an order of magnitude...



steved

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary:



Any idea why it increased? A couple increased an order of magnitude...



steved

It's really difficult to arrive at a meaningful conclusion in so informal a "test".



Most likely cause in my opinion, would be different driving conditions, as well as the change from summer in the first test to winter for the second. It's pretty hard to employ EXACTLY the same driving conditions across several months and a couple of seasons - And I'd be VERY cautious to assume or claim that the Amsoil full flow filter is passing enough more particles than the previous Fleetguard 3894 to make the difference.



Fact is, BOTH analysis are so excellent as compared to non-bypassed engines that the result seen here is a non-issue...



I'll dig up a typical non-bypass particle count to display here for a comparison.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Here from a related thread, is an example of a NEW, UNused oil analysis and particle count - the oil is Royal Purple:

Iron 2

Tin 1

Alum 3

Silicon 1

Potassium 1

Moly 117

Boron 1

Calcium 2961

MG 22

Phosphorus 1126

Zinc 1213

Vis@100C 15 (SAE 40)

Particle Count (all are in microns)

>5 = 2233

>10 = 152

>15 = 44

>20 = 20

>25 = 10

>50 = 2

>75 = 1

>100 = 0

Particle Volume (PV) = 1

Ferrous Debris = 5

ISO Code = 18/13

Anti-Freeze = Neg

All Others = NEG

This sample was originally posted over on the "Bob is the oil guy" board...



AND, for a comparison at similar mileage with a non-bypassed engine, here's a report from a member in another thread on this board:

I just recently ordered a frantz tp bypass, but here are my results with a fleetguard stratapore and amsoil at 5200 miles. I was looking to get a baseline before I installed the tp unit. Blackstone said the sample was clean for an engine oil.



ISO Code 3 20/19/16



>=2microns - 12928

>=5microns - 4789

>=10microns - 1326

>=15microns - 512

>=25microns - 122

>=50microns - 11

>=100microns - 0

There - those should give some ammo for further discussion - and don't kill the messenger - I'm only repeating info as presented by others... :-laf

 

[steved]

I see your point...



I doubt at this point (running a bypass) that changing the fullflow filter would seriously affect the results if the bypass is doing it's job.



steved

 

[05mxdiesel]

Gary, in your last post the particle count numbers were mine. I'm sure you will be happy with these numbers with rotella dino and frantz bypass.



ISO Code 16/15/12



>2 - 704

>5 - 231

>10 - 81

>15 - 14

>25 - 1

>50 - 0



Oil was ran 10k and still running it, changed the tp 4 times, so 4 quarts of makeup oil. Iron was siginificantly lower, but I know the numbers are going to skewed some with fresh makeup oil. Your thread about the frantz bypass helped me big time since I had trouble with the two piece ratchet valve cover cap at first. I picked up the stant #11111 and everything has been great, no leaks or messy tp changes. I am still questioning on when to change the oil other than by watching the TBN, which was 9. 4 in this sample. What do you think? One last thing the oil is still the old CI-4 and not the newly labled CJ-4 rotella.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I am still questioning on when to change the oil other than by watching the TBN, which was 9. 4 in this sample. What do you think? One last thing the oil is still the old CI-4 and not the newly labled CJ-4 rotella.

It gets to be a personal call on when best to change the oil when the oil is physically looking black, but the analysis #'s look as good as ours does after so many miles - mine were still looking great with 20K miles on the Delo 400. But, I simply hated the way the stuff LOOKED, regardless of analysis numbers - numbers that the synthetic oil, extended drain guys are entirely satisfied to continue to run with into the next century if need be! :-laf



I'm still using the CI-4 stuff as well, and will continue to do so until I either can't get it any more, or have clear analytical proof the newer stuff IS as great as the hype from the makers is trying to make us think it is...



Regards~

 

[05mxdiesel]

Thanks Gary, I will probably change the oil close to 20k regardless of tbn. My number's were pretty close to your last. I would like to get my iron numbers like yours as well. I'm finally breaking into the high teens with 40k on my truck.



Wanyne, after switching out the Amsoil to rotella I had no problems with blowing oil out the crankcase breather. I still wonder what caused the amsoil to do this with returning the oil to the valve cap. The frantz that I have has the built-in restrictor, so I don't think flow is the problem. My thinking is how much better the Amsoil flows compared to rotella dino and tends to splatter over the valvetrain and ends up out the breather. That's my thinking but I would like to go back to running Amsoil HDD 15w40. Give me you opinion. Thanks

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Thanks Gary, I will probably change the oil close to 20k regardless of tbn. My number's were pretty close to your last. I would like to get my iron numbers like yours as well. I'm finally breaking into the high teens with 40k on my truck.



Wanyne, after switching out the Amsoil to rotella I had no problems with blowing oil out the crankcase breather. I still wonder what caused the amsoil to do this with returning the oil to the valve cap. The frantz that I have has the built-in restrictor, so I don't think flow is the problem. My thinking is how much better the Amsoil flows compared to rotella dino and tends to splatter over the valvetrain and ends up out the breather. That's my thinking but I would like to go back to running Amsoil HDD 15w40. Give me you opinion. Thanks

I should have included in my earlier post that I have settled upon a 1 year/12K mile change interval based upon results of my 20K extended oil run presented in another related thread - I will also use the OEM full flow filter for that same interval, since the Frantz is doing most of the heavy duty filtering, and reducing the load on the OEM.



I sure wish I had done a particle count on the last test at the 20K mile mark in that test - it was rated as entirely usable for additional use, including TBN and TAN.



As to excessive oil out the breather, In my own effort to provide a bit of distance between the fill cap and the return oil flow - as well as splatter from the rocker arms and valvetrain, here's what I did:



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Can't make any vast scientific claims, but at least I have no unusual oil from my vent.

 

[amsoilman]

Wanyne, after switching out the Amsoil to rotella I had no problems with blowing oil out the crankcase breather. I still wonder what caused the amsoil to do this with returning the oil to the valve cap. The frantz that I have has the built-in restrictor, so I don't think flow is the problem. My thinking is how much better the Amsoil flows compared to rotella dino and tends to splatter over the valvetrain and ends up out the breather. That's my thinking but I would like to go back to running Amsoil HDD 15w40. Give me you opinion. Thanks

After the first few of these oil fill cap mods I did, I discovered that some would do exaclty as you are describing. Oil gets blown out the vent sometimes. I also discovered that it seemed to happen when the engine was under high loads.

To combat that situation, I then extended the outlet of the "Swivel" fitting by installing a 1/8 X 1/4 bushing that was in the BMK-11 kit. This seemed to eliminate the problem. I think the mod that Gary done does the same thing.



Here are a couple of pictures:

 

[05mxdiesel]

Thanks Wayne and Gary, I will extend the swivel fitting like you stated. As of right now I will stick with rotella until I am ready to change it out. Thanks a lot for the info. I appreciate it from veterans like yourself.