may try a 89R , if there is such an amimal
Call Bill and talk to him! Greg Borgman has one in his truck.
Jim
Call Bill and talk to him! Greg Borgman has one in his truck.
Jim
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may try a 89R , if there is such an animal
Call Bill and talk to him! Greg Borgman has one in his truck. I really like the 89 and have absolutely no intention of changing it unless I get to the point were I'm blowing through it with too much HP and I doubt that will happen, I just put in 370's and was thinking the converter might act looser with the additional power but heck I think it just want's more.
Jim
Call Bill and talk to him! Greg Borgman has one in his truck. I really like the 89 and have absolutely no intention of changing it unless I get to the point were I'm blowing through it with too much HP and I doubt that will happen, I just put in 370's and was thinking the converter might act looser with the additional power but heck I think it just want's more.
Jim
HVAC-Oh,it's your opinion?That's what I thought. It's funny how the TDR is like an infomertial for certain products. Certain people have a cult-like following and what they preach people buy. These people have no idea what else is available... they are taking your word for it.
I'm not saying the B1 isn't a great charger. I have never seen one,but from what I've heard they seem to work great. BUT, it's not the only charger on the market. Haisley,Robbins,and Scheids all have great chargers that rock on the track every week. Funny though... . none of them are on here claiming to sell(and make profit) "the best performance turbo available currently".
I'm not saying the B1 isn't a great charger. I have never seen one,but from what I've heard they seem to work great. BUT, it's not the only charger on the market. Haisley,Robbins,and Scheids all have great chargers that rock on the track every week. Funny though... . none of them are on here claiming to sell(and make profit) "the best performance turbo available currently".
msmtd,with posts like yours its no wonder vendors wont post anything here anymore. I personally value HVAC's opinion,and thank him for taking the time to post from his many turbo experiences. As he stated it is in his opinion. I tend to believe him,look at the options,there isnt anything better without going to twins unless someone is hiding the best turbo somewhere,and doesnt want it to be let out of the bag yet.
QUOTE: "HVAC-Oh,it's your opinion?That's what I thought. It's funny how the TDR is like an infomertial for certain products. Certain people have a cult-like following and what they preach people buy. These people have no idea what else is available... they are taking your word for it. "
Actually it's funny that some johnney come lately would have everyone believe he knows more then anyone else. Some of us have been here a long time and disected a lot of new products along the way. Let's see, Edge Products, SPA, Diesel Dynamics, which of these products would you say I shouldn't have recommended? Please be specific.
QUOTE: I'm not saying the B1 isn't a great charger. I have never seen one,but from what I've heard they seem to work great.
That makes you a hypocrit. You have discredited your position.
QUOTE: BUT, it's not the only charger on the market. Haisley,Robbins,and Scheids all have great chargers that rock on the track
The track is one thing. Street driven trucks are another. If it doesn't spool on the street it's not the best choice.
Other chargers being available doesn't detract from the performance of the B1. It only creates a larger group to favorably compare it to.
QUOTE: Funny though... . none of them are on here claiming to sell(and make profit) "the best performance turbo available currently
And with good reason I expect.
Now, what do you have to bring to the table with regard to the turbochargers you mentioned above? Do you have any information? It's obvious you are incapable of comparing their performance to the B1.
What single turbo would you say is the finest?
I would call attention to the recent opportunity for the B1 to go head to head with the ones you mentioned. In the drag races at Muncie the B1 scored a direct hit with a overall win. Please inform those reading this thread the finishing positions of the trucks running the trubos you mentioned.
In the sled pulls the B1 took two classes for street rigs and also did well in the open class. Please illuminate the prowess of the chargers you have referred to.
Actually it's funny that some johnney come lately would have everyone believe he knows more then anyone else. Some of us have been here a long time and disected a lot of new products along the way. Let's see, Edge Products, SPA, Diesel Dynamics, which of these products would you say I shouldn't have recommended? Please be specific.
QUOTE: I'm not saying the B1 isn't a great charger. I have never seen one,but from what I've heard they seem to work great.
That makes you a hypocrit. You have discredited your position.
QUOTE: BUT, it's not the only charger on the market. Haisley,Robbins,and Scheids all have great chargers that rock on the track
The track is one thing. Street driven trucks are another. If it doesn't spool on the street it's not the best choice.
Other chargers being available doesn't detract from the performance of the B1. It only creates a larger group to favorably compare it to.
QUOTE: Funny though... . none of them are on here claiming to sell(and make profit) "the best performance turbo available currently
And with good reason I expect.
Now, what do you have to bring to the table with regard to the turbochargers you mentioned above? Do you have any information? It's obvious you are incapable of comparing their performance to the B1.
What single turbo would you say is the finest?
I would call attention to the recent opportunity for the B1 to go head to head with the ones you mentioned. In the drag races at Muncie the B1 scored a direct hit with a overall win. Please inform those reading this thread the finishing positions of the trucks running the trubos you mentioned.
In the sled pulls the B1 took two classes for street rigs and also did well in the open class. Please illuminate the prowess of the chargers you have referred to.
I have the HX40 from Piers and I have the new "Race Style" TC. That is what Bill called it. It spools pretty quick. My HY took 1. 5 seconds to spool from a stop. The HX spools in 1. 8. Not much difference. It pulls way harder though. I do notice the Push through the TC on 5x5 WOT. When the TC Saver kicks in it still pulls hard. Real hard. I think the 89% race style TC is loose enough. I can build enough boost to rip my truck sideways in any corner I want. That is from 1200rpm's and no boost. Fred Swanson and Bill Kondolay both recommended this TC. I am Happy... ... ... ... ... ... . Greg
No not yet. Was waiting on the "smaller" housings to come in. Was told it was built ready to go July 19th, they sent a fax to the turbo shop to ship directly to me... . got a confirmation, but the turbo shop never recieved it. So it actually shipped August 7th. It should be here Monday or Tuesday and on the truck by Thursday hopefully.
The turbo on my truck is a decent enough turbo just can't flow enough air on the upper levels.
Just a minor shipping problem
I had a regular housing B1 before... ... ..... but its at Floor It's shop. . for his truck. I been using this "AT-4" turbo since April.
Very Anxious to see how the Kwikspool B1 will react on my truck.
My names not Johnny,and I've been around this stuff for a while,too. I 'm sure I don't know nearly as much as you and the other know-it-alls around here,but I seem to have enough knowledge to make my pulling truck(and a couple of others)run and be competitive.
I'm not a hypocrit... where did you get that from? I never cut on the b1. My point is you run your gums about it being the "BEST" charger available. I discredited you a long time ago.
When I said said they rock on the track,I was talking about the street-driven trucks. The ones that haul other trucks in,pull trailers and are driven everyday. And who said they detract from the b1? You are getting awfully defensive.
Other vendors don't need to parade around on here. They let there products speak for themselves.
I wasn't at the drag races at Muncie. At the pulls,yes Larry kicked butt. Plenty of the above mentioned turbos in the top ten,too. These are the the same trucks that kick butt everyweek. See,you're getting defensive again! I never said anything bad about the b1... just letting everyone know it's not the ONLY charger ou there.
I'm not a hypocrit... where did you get that from? I never cut on the b1. My point is you run your gums about it being the "BEST" charger available. I discredited you a long time ago.
When I said said they rock on the track,I was talking about the street-driven trucks. The ones that haul other trucks in,pull trailers and are driven everyday. And who said they detract from the b1? You are getting awfully defensive.
Other vendors don't need to parade around on here. They let there products speak for themselves.
I wasn't at the drag races at Muncie. At the pulls,yes Larry kicked butt. Plenty of the above mentioned turbos in the top ten,too. These are the the same trucks that kick butt everyweek. See,you're getting defensive again! I never said anything bad about the b1... just letting everyone know it's not the ONLY charger ou there.
msmtd
Nowell and I have our differences in opinion but we agree on one thing for sure, 'the B1 is the the best single turbo around this side of twins'.
Nowell has installed more of these than anyone other than Kurt himself. He is the only guy to have built a compound setup with the B-1. His customers dominate the events in the Bay area. The B-1 seems to be on a top 5 truck at almost every event lately.
Maybe YOU should qualify yourself to question that proven track record.
As for vendors stating opinions. I'm a vendor. I sell the stuff because I believe in it. Vendors make money off of a product but they put a lot of time, money and effort into proving the products viability.
You are a prime example of why most vendors read a lot more than they post. It's not worth the effort to have your reputation and experience questioned blatantly without reason.
Later,
Mark
Nowell and I have our differences in opinion but we agree on one thing for sure, 'the B1 is the the best single turbo around this side of twins'.
Nowell has installed more of these than anyone other than Kurt himself. He is the only guy to have built a compound setup with the B-1. His customers dominate the events in the Bay area. The B-1 seems to be on a top 5 truck at almost every event lately.
Maybe YOU should qualify yourself to question that proven track record.
As for vendors stating opinions. I'm a vendor. I sell the stuff because I believe in it. Vendors make money off of a product but they put a lot of time, money and effort into proving the products viability.
You are a prime example of why most vendors read a lot more than they post. It's not worth the effort to have your reputation and experience questioned blatantly without reason.
Later,
Mark
well ms , carre to share a little info on alternatives or are you just posting to rip on others that don't have the same opinion as you ?
Mark K-I take it you sell B1's too? How can you honestly say the B1 is the BEST turbo around? Again,I have never cut on this charger. It obviously works well. I'm sure if everyone in the Bay area buys B1's from hvac,the probably do dominate. Funny though,I haven't seen too many around here. I don't need to qualify myself to you. There's no point.
csutton-I know you are hvac's buddy and thats fine. Like I said,I have never seen a B1 up close. But I know how these others perform... as good or better than a B1,I'm sure. Don't tell you to call... whatever. I've asked you and others on this site and diesel-central about the B1(in/out sizes,etc) and never got ANY answers! The B1 is top secret! I take that back... you told me to CALL Kurt!!
If you want info,call and find out. I don't personally run these street chargers,and I don't sell them. You might be glad you did.
csutton-I know you are hvac's buddy and thats fine. Like I said,I have never seen a B1 up close. But I know how these others perform... as good or better than a B1,I'm sure. Don't tell you to call... whatever. I've asked you and others on this site and diesel-central about the B1(in/out sizes,etc) and never got ANY answers! The B1 is top secret! I take that back... you told me to CALL Kurt!!
If you want info,call and find out. I don't personally run these street chargers,and I don't sell them. You might be glad you did.
Dang is this a transmission thread... ... . Have I ever told you'll I like everybody
Jim
Jim
Well lets see who I believe.....
HVAC, 600+ HP on Diesel alone, runs in the 12's in the 1/4 mile, says the B1 is the best turbo he has seen. Has spent thousands on his truck and given the info out for free. Is a vendor with a reputation for having good service and from my dealings with him, a stand up guy.
MSMTD - well I don't know what to type here. Has a pulling truck and aparently goes to pulls. Says there are other turbos out there that that are just as good, but won't post any iformation. Claims he is not cutting down the B1 but is more worried about telling us that there are other turbos out there and that there vendors are not on hear touting there performance... .
Well here is what I say. Its the vendors of the other turbos responsibility to come on here and sell them if they want to, they choose not to so its over. Maybe we are not getting the whole story on turbos, but the story we are getting is good so far.
As a side note I do not have a B1 and I just went against HVAC's advice to buy an HX40 from Piers. That just proves that there are others on here touting turbos and we are all not blind sheep.
HVAC, 600+ HP on Diesel alone, runs in the 12's in the 1/4 mile, says the B1 is the best turbo he has seen. Has spent thousands on his truck and given the info out for free. Is a vendor with a reputation for having good service and from my dealings with him, a stand up guy.
MSMTD - well I don't know what to type here. Has a pulling truck and aparently goes to pulls. Says there are other turbos out there that that are just as good, but won't post any iformation. Claims he is not cutting down the B1 but is more worried about telling us that there are other turbos out there and that there vendors are not on hear touting there performance... .
Well here is what I say. Its the vendors of the other turbos responsibility to come on here and sell them if they want to, they choose not to so its over. Maybe we are not getting the whole story on turbos, but the story we are getting is good so far.
As a side note I do not have a B1 and I just went against HVAC's advice to buy an HX40 from Piers. That just proves that there are others on here touting turbos and we are all not blind sheep.
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WOW,
Censored for what????????? I too believe the B1 is a little over rated here. I do not think it is the best turbo, hands down. But then again I don't push the fuel either. I also had my doubts about the HX40 but for half the price I'll buy an extra... ...
Well, for the record HVAC is the only fella other than Kurt that sells the B-1 to date.
Greg, I've been pricing turbos for my twins and ... a new stock hx40-16 can't be had for under $800 the Pdr hx40 is higher because piers puts a good bit of TLC in them. To tell you the truth the only HX40 i'd want would be a Piers treated charger. A stock HX40 is still a little less than half a B1. For the extra money you get an equally well 'treated' turbo that is similar(read as exceeds) in flow to an H2E and spools at least as well as an HX40.
To date nobody has destroyed a B1 beyond repair. Physics is working against the HX40. it has the same shaft diameter as a 35 but bigger wheels. So, manual trucks that 'bark' a lot are especially hard on them. I bark my B1 all the time and it takes it in stride.
I'll not be putting my B1 in my twins because it's too big to find a proper primary to feed it. The primary would have to flow 1800+ CFM to keep up and that's more than I think I can fit between the wheel well and block. I'm shooting for the bang for the buck catagory... lots of relatively cheap HP. I'll get 50% more flow from the twins and much lower EGTs at my fueling level.
Later,
Mark
Greg, I've been pricing turbos for my twins and ... a new stock hx40-16 can't be had for under $800 the Pdr hx40 is higher because piers puts a good bit of TLC in them. To tell you the truth the only HX40 i'd want would be a Piers treated charger. A stock HX40 is still a little less than half a B1. For the extra money you get an equally well 'treated' turbo that is similar(read as exceeds
) in flow to an H2E and spools at least as well as an HX40. To date nobody has destroyed a B1 beyond repair. Physics is working against the HX40. it has the same shaft diameter as a 35 but bigger wheels. So, manual trucks that 'bark' a lot are especially hard on them. I bark my B1 all the time and it takes it in stride.
I'll not be putting my B1 in my twins because it's too big to find a proper primary to feed it. The primary would have to flow 1800+ CFM to keep up and that's more than I think I can fit between the wheel well and block. I'm shooting for the bang for the buck catagory... lots of relatively cheap HP. I'll get 50% more flow from the twins and much lower EGTs at my fueling level.
Later,
Mark
Mark,
I wasn't digging at you. That is for sure. I respect what you and nowell say here. I have learned a great deal from following your threads. I was in serious consideration of the B1. I had talked to Kurt a couple of times. I got my pdr hx40 from Fred Swanson for a steal. It had been on his truck for a month and was in real good shape. I would probably have gone with the B1 if it wernt for the money I saved. With the HX I have yet to bark it real bad. I see 40 psi of boost on a daily basis. I push it real hard, real real hard. Maybe my next turbo can be a B1... . yea thats it, my next... ... ... ..... turbo
I wasn't digging at you. That is for sure. I respect what you and nowell say here. I have learned a great deal from following your threads. I was in serious consideration of the B1. I had talked to Kurt a couple of times. I got my pdr hx40 from Fred Swanson for a steal. It had been on his truck for a month and was in real good shape. I would probably have gone with the B1 if it wernt for the money I saved. With the HX I have yet to bark it real bad. I see 40 psi of boost on a daily basis. I push it real hard, real real hard. Maybe my next turbo can be a B1... . yea thats it, my next... ... ... ..... turbo
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